I’m still out of ideas for the moment.

But as for real-time indices, this is a good place to start:
https://freelancing-gods.com/thinking-sphinx/real_time.html 
<https://freelancing-gods.com/thinking-sphinx/real_time.html>

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Pat

> On 12 Mar 2018, at 2:56 am, mrmanishs <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Pat for the follow-up.
> 
> Yes, was happening on each and every request. As I stated, it only happened 
> through Passenger also, not through console.
> 
> I think I'll switch to real-time indices, if you think of anything else, let 
> me know. It's got me stumped.
> 
> On Sunday, March 11, 2018 at 12:12:56 AM UTC-5, Pat Allan wrote:
> I know it’s hard to test now that you’ve disabled deltas, but I wondering… 
> did it happen on every single request?
> 
> It’s just that, previously - as already noted - failed indexing didn’t raise 
> exceptions. If two requests came at the same time that both made alterations 
> to the same model, one of the delta processing attempts would work, the other 
> wouldn’t - but the end result is still both alterations would be in Sphinx 
> (the successful processing captured both changes).
> 
> Now, in the same scenario, one would work, and the other would fail and raise 
> an exception. The data would still be persisted in Sphinx (and given deltas 
> are invoked in after_commit, in the database as well), but the 500 error 
> resulting from the failure is a terrible user experience.
> 
> If this is the situation, then the best solution is to either shift delta 
> processing into a background worker (via ts-sidekiq-delta, ts-delayed-delta, 
> or ts-resque-delta), or to use real-time indices.
> 
> Of course, if this isn’t the case - if a single request raises the exception, 
> and there’s no other concurrent requests altering the same model, then the 
> cause will be something else (and I’m really not sure what it could be!). 
> Perhaps real-time indices are worth investigating either way? They’ve been 
> around in TS for a good while now and I use them for any of my new projects 
> that need Sphinx, as do significantly sized Flying Sphinx customers.
> 
>> On 11 Mar 2018, at 2:39 pm, mrmanishs <[email protected] <>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for getting back Pat. Yes deltas were working great on the old server.
>> 
>> The permission is 644 and owner is root.
>> 
>> On Saturday, March 10, 2018 at 7:45:48 PM UTC-5, Pat Allan wrote:
>> So, one thing that’s probably changed in that upgrade is that the newer 
>> versions of Riddle are now a little fussier about running indexing commands, 
>> and raise exceptions depending on the status code of the `indexer` command. 
>> So, it could be possible this issue was always happening but the errors 
>> weren’t apparent. I feel that’s unlikely though - you’d probably have 
>> noticed if delta results weren’t appearing?
>> 
>> Also worth considering is the underlying error:
>> 
>>> FATAL: failed to lock 
>>> /sites/cap/classifieds.acceleweb.com/db/sphinx/production/address_delta.spl:
>>>  <http://classifieds.acceleweb.com/db/sphinx/production/address_delta.spl:> 
>>> Resource temporarily unavailable, will not index
>> 
>> I presume the path there is correct? What are the permissions on that file? 
>> Is the owner root?
>> 
>> —
>> Pat
>> 
>>> On 10 Mar 2018, at 1:12 am, mrmanishs <[email protected] <>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks. I actually migrated to a new server and installed the latest 
>>> version of Sphinx/TS.
>>> 
>>> New server: Sphinx 3.0.2, TS 3.4.2 on Rails 5.1.5
>>> Old server: Sphinx 2.2.6, TS 3.2.0 on Rails 4.1.6
>>> 
>>> Could I have missed something in the upgrade that these symptoms may show?
>>> 
>>> I have disabled deltas for now to get it going, but it's not ideal.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 8:58:02 AM UTC-5, Pat Allan wrote:
>>> Hmm. Have you tried running a rebuild? And has this problem started only 
>>> recently?
>>> 
>>> As a stop-gap solution, you could disable deltas and run the `ts:index` 
>>> task more regularly, but granted, that’s not ideal.
>>> 
>>>> On 9 Mar 2018, at 2:36 pm, mrmanishs <man...@ <>acceleweb.com 
>>>> <http://acceleweb.com/>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I have nginx in front of passenger, so all the passenger log entries go 
>>>> into the nginx one. The only item in nginx is the url calls come back with 
>>>> a 500.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for the note.
>>>> 
>>>> Any other ideas? Also, up for doing some real-time debugging if it would 
>>>> help. I am not really sure what's going on and it's impacting 
>>>> functionality on site :(
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 5:14:47 PM UTC-5, Pat Allan wrote:
>>>> Hmm. Is there anything related to this issue in your passenger logs? 
>>>> And/or if you’re using nginx/apache/etc in front of that, their logs?
>>>> 
>>>> Unrelated, but: indexed_models is no longer needed/used by TS v3+.
>>>> 
>>>> —
>>>> Pat
>>>> 
>>>>> On 9 Mar 2018, at 1:04 am, mrmanishs <[email protected] <>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks Pat.
>>>>> 
>>>>> - searchd and nginx are both being run as root. Everything's root 
>>>>> actually...
>>>>> - I have searchd in /usr/local/bin and confirmed the production bin_path 
>>>>> is /usr/local/bin . I have this in my thinking_sphinx.yml file for prod:
>>>>> 
>>>>> production:
>>>>>   mysql41: 9401
>>>>>   configuration_file: "<path_to_config>"
>>>>>   log: "<path_to_log>"
>>>>>   query_log: "<path_to_query_log>"
>>>>>   pid_file: "<path_to_pid_file>"
>>>>>   min_infix_len: 3
>>>>>   bin_path: '/usr/local/bin'
>>>>>   indexed_models:
>>>>>         - Address
>>>>>   quiet_deltas: true
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any other thoughts?
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 11:45:43 PM UTC-5, Pat Allan wrote:
>>>>> Hi Manish,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’m at a conference today, so please excuse the brevity, but it sounds 
>>>>> like this might be a permissions issue. See this note in the 
>>>>> documentation:
>>>>> https://freelancing-gods.com/thinking-sphinx/common_issues.html#deltas 
>>>>> <https://freelancing-gods.com/thinking-sphinx/common_issues.html#deltas>
>>>>> (Both the deltas section and possibly the following section for passenger)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Certainly, real-time indices shouldn’t hit these issues, but you should 
>>>>> certainly be able to get your current setup working.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hope this helps!
>>>>> 
>>>>> —
>>>>> Pat
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 8 Mar 2018, at 2:58 pm, mrmanishs <[email protected] <>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> After further investigation, it looks like an issue with delta indexing. 
>>>>>> Is there a fix? Should real-time indices be used instead, is that a 
>>>>>> better approach?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 4:39:16 PM UTC-5, mrmanishs wrote:
>>>>>> Whenever I try to do anything in my app through passenger, I get an 
>>>>>> error similar to this:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> F, [2018-03-07T21:35:13.949318 #30762] FATAL -- : 
>>>>>> [d6484d23-620d-4f33-8f17-13c12b7dab53] Riddle::CommandFailedError 
>>>>>> (Sphinx command failed to execute):
>>>>>> F, [2018-03-07T21:35:13.949426 #30762] FATAL -- : 
>>>>>> [d6484d23-620d-4f33-8f17-13c12b7dab53]
>>>>>> F, [2018-03-07T21:35:13.949536 #30762] FATAL -- : 
>>>>>> [d6484d23-620d-4f33-8f17-13c12b7dab53] 
>>>>>> app/controllers/listing_controller.rb:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That's all I get... no other information.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The same instructions work in console and there are no issues. 
>>>>>> Everything else on the rails app works fine.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any idea? What else can I do to get more information?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Manish
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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