Dear Shahram, et al.,
I'd like to take a step back and revisit, I think it might have been
discussed, different model. Assume that PTP-capable NEs advertize their
capability, i.e. through IGP TE extension, and that MPLS domain is MPLS-TP
network. Then a graph of LSPs provisioned to connect PTP-capable NEs. The
graph can be used to flood IP-encapsulated PTP or map MS-PW for
Ethernet-encapsulated PTP.
Do you think that such transport would be sufficient for 1588-over-MPLS?

Regards,
Greg

On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 7:43 AM, Shahram Davari <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Sasha,
>
> Good point. This has been pointed out by other as well. It is still
> possible to use facility FRR, but now you need 2 FRR tunnels, one Special
> FRR tunnel using a PTP label for carrying PTP LSPs and another normal FRR
> tunnel for carrying other LSPs. This is possible but not efficient.
>
> Thanks
> Shahram
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexander Vainshtein [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 7:38 AM
> To: Shahram Davari
> Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [TICTOC] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-tictoc-1588overmpls-02.txt
>
> Shahram,
> Lots of thanks for a prompt clarification.
>
> But doesn't it mean that facility protection mode in FRR is effectively
> not applicable to PTP LSPs?
>
> Regards,
>     Sasha
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shahram Davari [mailto:[email protected]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 5:34 PM
> > To: Alexander Vainshtein
> > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
> > Subject: RE: [TICTOC] FW: I-D Action:
> draft-ietf-tictoc-1588overmpls-02.txt
> >
> > Hi Sasha,
> >
> > Good question. We have mentioned in the draft that any label pushed such
> > as FRR case must also be a PTP label. We have also provided extension to
> > signaling so that labels are identified as being PTP label.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Shahram
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Alexander Vainshtein [mailto:[email protected]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 7:31 AM
> > To: Shahram Davari
> > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
> > Subject: RE: [TICTOC] FW: I-D Action:
> draft-ietf-tictoc-1588overmpls-02.txt
> >
> > Shahram,
> > I must admit that I have not been following discussions about PTP over
> > MPLS, but I would like to clarify an issue that stems from reading your
> > response to Stewart.
> >
> > If I interpret you correctly, you say that, instead of sending PTP in
> PWs you
> > are going to send them in dedicated LSPs. The advantage is that the
> transit
> > nodes may derive the need to examine PRP packets by just looking at the
> > labels at the top of stack.
> >
> > The question is: what is supposed to happen if, for some reason, a
> transit
> > node pushes yet another label on top of what has been originally
> allocated
> > for a PTP-carrying LSP?  FRR (in the facility mode when multiple LSPs
> would
> > be tunneled in the same bypass) is one valid example IMO, but there could
> > be more.
> >
> > Regards,
> >      Sasha
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf
> > > Of Shahram Davari
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 5:21 PM
> > > To: [email protected]; [email protected]
> > > Cc: [email protected]
> > > Subject: Re: [TICTOC] FW: I-D Action:
> draft-ietf-tictoc-1588overmpls-02.txt
> > >
> > > Hi Stewart,
> > >
> > > Thanks for your valuable input. Since these PTP LSPs are defined to
> only
> > > carry IP or Ethernet encapsulated 1588 packets, the LSRs could easily
> parse
> > > them without requiring to know the Payload type per PW label. In other
> > > words if the LSP is a PTP LSP then the payload type is knwon and we
> don't
> > > need to keep the payload type state per PW label. So I don't think we
> are
> > > doing any layer violation.
> > >
> > > All an LSR has to do is to go to the BoS and check the first nibble
> after BoS
> > > label to find out whether payload is IPv4 (nibble = '0100'), IPv6
> (nibble =
> > > '0110'), OAM (nibble = '0001') or Ethernet (nibble = '0000') traffic.
> Only IP
> > and
> > > Ethernet traffic needs further parsing to verify the 1588 packets. So
> really
> > no
> > > knowledge of the payload type per PW label is required and therefore I
> > > think no layer violation.
> > >
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Shahram
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf
> > > Of Stewart Bryant
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 1:13 AM
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Cc: [email protected]
> > > Subject: Re: [TICTOC] FW: I-D Action:
> draft-ietf-tictoc-1588overmpls-02.txt
> > >
> > >
> > > Speaking as an individual here, I really have a hard time
> > > understanding why it is necessary to have quite the
> > > egregious layer violation that this draft uses.
> > >
> > > The idea of having an LSP type that is dedicated to
> > > tracking the time of passage through the network
> > > is a good idea. However MPLS is completely geared
> > > to the concept that only the LSP endpoints know
> > > how to resolve the payload type.
> > >
> > > The function that you require could be achieved
> > > by including a shim that contains the
> > > time compensation information and adjust the
> > > payload on egress from the LSP. That would be
> > > rather more consistent with the MPLS architecture.
> > >
> > > I have not seen a request for review by the MPLS
> > > or PWE3 WGs and I would suggest that you request
> > > that sooner rather than later since it is inevitable
> > > that the draft will be sent there later in it's life, and
> > > if they do not subscribe to your mode of operation
> > > the draft is unlikely to progress.
> > >
> > > I would also suggest that you discuss the extent
> > > of layer violation with your AD to make sure he is
> > > confident that this draft will pass IESG review.
> > >
> > > - Stewart
> > >
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