On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 08:55:29 +0200, Ulrich Windl wrote: >>>> Joseph Gwinn <[email protected]> schrieb am 21.10.2022 um 00:05 in > Nachricht > <[email protected]>: >> On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 09:47:07 ‑0400, John C Klensin wrote: >>> Carsten, >>> >>> You have just gone where I didn't want to go (at least on‑list) >>> because it might take us into some IETF/IAB political issues >>> (past and present) but, yes, your students are good at their >>> work. Some generalizations (with the understanding that a few >>> details might be close but not exactly right these days): >>> >> [big snip ‑ all good points for sure] >> >> We seem to be drifting off the target here. And the graybeards may >> remember when ISO‑OSI was swamped by TCP/IPv4 and Ethernet. >> >> The big problem is that most people cannot access ISO standards at >> any remotely plausible effort and price. Even very large companies >> find the expense of maintaining current versions of ISO standards >> impractical. >> >> So these standards are specified far more than they are followed. >> >> So, what remedy is practical? In areas of conflict, it may be >> necessary to explicitly override ISO, because the world didn't go >> that way. > > Hi! > > A good summary, I'd say. > My final essence would be: While in IT it's preferable to reference > instead of > copying, there is a problem if the referenced objects vanish. > So in some cases copying may be preferable. > Eventually I wonder how much legal it is to extract the essence of an ISO > standard to a Wikipedia article or part of an RFC (e.g. instead of > writing "as > defined in ISO XXX", writing "using ... according to ISO XXX"). I see such > copying would harm the ISO business model, however.
Standards such as this are legally protected by Copyright, which protects only the exact wording, and not the idea. So rephrasing is OK, so long as it isn't too close to the original wording. Many a fight has happened over the precise limits on "too close". The collective search term is intellectual property. Joe Gwinn _______________________________________________ TICTOC mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tictoc
