Hi Lewcid

I've made a wikispaces wiki and set up a sn-tw to fetch material from
it.
I totally agree with you. Wikispaces has very very userfriendly UI.
But I can't even use danish characters for the title :-(

I'm planning to use the concept for danish students and/or teacher
collegues - and I would like to have total control over the
"masterwiki" - beeing able to tweak it in any direction we would like.
That's the power of TW - beeing able to customize it. (Change the
language, stylesheet, pagetemplate asf.)

A collegue from a neighbour "efterskole" (a Danish boardingschool) is
setting up Moodle as a LMS - and maybe I will attempt to do the same.
(I've been using Claroline for a year now - and I have discovered many
of the benefits from using a LMS-system - generating spaces for
classes - and having a individual homepages for each subject and
groups ). I've even made a TW designed for each subject made available
for students on relevant pages in Claroline.
Moodle has a cleaner interface with more modules and  I've discovered
that linking to different pages in Claroline isn't working the way I
need.. - so I'm ready to try Moodle. Moodle I expect - also has a
better danish translation.

I'm fiddling around with the thought that I might make two TW-
adaptions which accomodate teachers and pupils respectively - beeing
preconfigured with links and iframes to navigate in Moodle. I've
already made some attempts with Claroline - but as I mentioned before
- Claroline isn't quite up to it. If I fx. link to documents on the
danish-page - then I'll have to be on the Danish-page in a browser
already. The links in Claroline are relative.

Also beeing able to fetch/send material from/to Moodles built-in wiki
- would certainly make it even more usable.
I've found this: Tiddlywiki integration with New Moodle Wiki:
http://morfeo.upc.es/crom/mod/wiki/view.php?id=22&page=Tiddlywiki+integration+with+New+Moodle+Wiki&gid=0&uid=0
and this: Tiddlywiki integration: 
http://docs.moodle.org/en/Tiddlywiki_integration

Fetching material from "masterTWs" would also be very usefull on my
work. I've been making a sick-leave ITW (BidiX's tw for Iphone) that
I've integrated as an iframe in serveral prototypes - that I would
eventually share between my teacher collegues.
Recently I've discovered the IncludePlugin, which has very good use in
this context - especially when you use the TiddlerNotesPlugin - with
"Enable to pre-fill notes with the original tiddler's contents" Then
each teacher is able to get his own copies of each studentcard - for
his own notes - same procedure as you use in sn-tw.

I will send you 3 files - 1 is my ITw-adaption, another (hu0809) is
the first one iframed in a TW - which sole purpose is to present and
display. The third one (Sang 0809) is a tw specialized for a group of
teachers collaborating on making sing-along-lessons (don't know if
thats the right word for it..). It fetches the first one via
includeplugin and when you click on notes ("Kommentarer") on each
student card you'll make a tiddler-copy to this tw...
The two last tws are adaptions of Daves No brainer notes...

I've tried to find good use for the tiddlychatterpackage - but as I
understand it - it requires each user to have his own tw hosted
online. That's to complicated if I want my collegues to get anyway
near using tws...

Your sn as an download-option on a "parenttw" preconfigured to fetch
information from the parent tw (maybe several others too?) would be
very usefull I think...
If you have some other suggestions - I should investigate - please
give me a hint.

YS Måns Mårtensson (Denmark)


On 14 Feb., 10:37, lewcid <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hiya Måns,
>
> Whilst working on the StudentNotebook an effort was made to ensure
> that as much of the code written as possible was not Wikispaces
> specific and I think that we were quite successful in this respect.
> However, at this early stage in the development it was necessary to
> add some "glue" if you will to hold the different pieces together and
> this is what makes it a little difficult at this time to easily adapt
> the SN to work with a server component other than Wikispaces. My
> intention is that the next release of the SN will be server agnostic
> and you will be able to choose which serverside wiki to work with.
>
> I am however curious as to your reasoning behind wanting to use an
> entirely TiddlyWiki based solution only. Are there some compelling
> circumstances or reasons? We started off working with TiddlyWiki on
> the server but ended up settling on Wikispaces because a) It has a
> much more user friendly UI (from the students perspective at least!),
> (b) it is accessible to screen readers (which is a legal obligation in
> a lot of educational institutions) and (c) because it allows for
> discussion features as well eliminating the need for a separate
> bulletin board for the class such as WebCT. I realize that your
> situation is rather different from that of Andrew's class but I'd love
> to understand your needs better.
>
> Also, if you are able to share a copy of the TiddlyWiki you wish to
> adapt for this purpose, that will allow me to offer better advice as
> well.
> Cheers,
> Saq
>
> On Feb 13, 1:29 am, Måns <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Hi Saq
> > I would like to be able to make this setup solely based on TW.
> > I'm sure it's possible with Bidix's php -saving features (prefilling
> > it with users and passwords) and tiddlersaveplugin.
> > I've tried to make acopy of your sn to an empty TW - but leaving out
> > the things related to wikispaces - but I cannot..
> > The pagetemplate and/or stylesheet seems to break...
> > I've also tried to find a way to toggle showing the backstage - but no
> > here luck either...
>
> > I've made a "mobile sick-leave notebook" for my school, based on
> > BidX's ItW.
> > I would love to be able to use the includeplugin in an adaption of
> > your SN to search and create local copies of tiddlers with content
> > from the main TW - using the tiddlernotesplugin.
>
> > YS Måns Mårtensson - danish teacher. (like Dave I would like to  be
> > able to translate it too,, )
>
> > On Feb 11, 9:25 am, Saq Imtiaz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > I've just posted a screen cast and a live demo of the Student Notebook in
> > > case anyone here finds it of interest. The Student Notebook is a 
> > > customized
> > > TiddlyWiki used by students in conjunction with a class wiki (Wikispaces.)
>
> > > Cheers,
> > > Saq
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