Mark You are absolutely right - I should ask questions and give examples as I run into trouble with the macros and plugins .. There's just so many relationships in for example the twabPlugin - that I have to stop the translation "at the suface of things" - ending up with english datavalues - because I cannot foresee the consequences -having to translate all the "calls" for named values in the plugin itself.. On the surface it might look allright - but I'd like to have datavalues that are just as danish as the formlayouts and buttons.. (sometimes I might like to mail a tiddler which should be readable even if it's "raw" text like: <data>Name Value
When I translated the buttons in ActivitiesMacro by Michael Borck (beeing used in TiddlyDu3 and TW TuDu) I had to open three windows and use the browsers search - next application to find every appearance of f.ex. the word "Add" (believe me there's many instances of that word!!) - to find an instance that I could isolate as the one giving the button it's name - and try it out in the next window - discovering it wasn't the right one - and use the third window to resave/overwrite - if it had been neccesary to save and reload to test the translation in the former. A bit tedious - but I suspect that it's the grounds for everyone who attempts to translate plugins and macros to suit their language... It's ok - I learn a little more every day... YS Måns Mårtensson On 31 Mar., 21:34, "Mark S." <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Måns, > > I assume that when you say that you are translating the macros, that > you mean that you are changing the text and labels to their Danish > equivalents. Or is there something else going on? > > Perhaps if you gave an example of something simple that breaks when > you change a bit of text, it might give some insights into how to go > about this. > > Mark > > On Mar 31, 10:55 am, Måns <[email protected]> wrote: > > > To Mark: > > I've used MartinBuddens english translationsplugin to translate the > > core functions of tiddlywiki into danish. > > Source:www.example.com > > CodeRepository:http://svn.tiddlywiki.org/Trunk/association/locales/core/en/locale.en.js > > > When I try to translate plugins and macros I constantly make faults > > that breaks the code - so I have to be very carefull and translate > > only what's absolutely necessary for buttons and so on. > > Trial and error - and sometimes I have to give up ... > > > YS Måns Mårtensson > > > On 31 Mar., 16:27, "Mark S." <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Isn't there a global replace plugin/script somewhere? Surprising if > > > there is not. > > > > It might be easier to work with the TW source file itself inside of a > > > good editor. Grab the piece of text you want to change, and do a > > > global replace (with verification for each change). > > > > -- Mark > > > > On Mar 30, 11:37 pm, Måns <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > You must have a masters degree in Zen... :-) > > > > Of course You are right. I should do both. > > > > > My concerns about "doing it right" includes beeing anxious - not to > > > > break any links when I translate the individual tiddlers. > > > > > I wonder if I could make a "work in progress fET" that shows me the > > > > relation between tiddlers as I go forward.. > > > > > A table that shows me relations - parents and children... (I don't > > > > know how to tell which tiddlers link to the tiddler in question - > > > > maybe just a simple textsearch?) > > > > > Doing it the "normal way" - might that be to follow a path similar to: > > > > first translate tiddlers "at the bottom of the foodchain" with less > > > > links - like subsubsubsubnotes - and slowly work my way up the hieracy > > > > of linkrelations by adressing more and more tiddlers holding the same > > > > links - and remember to solve more relations/other links on the way > > > > up...?? > > > > > Btw. I have "dom 7-error" when I try to open twab in Google Chrome - > > > > and when I try to open twab in IE it tells me that there's an unknown > > > > error - so it only works in Firefox. > > > > I was thinking that I might make a TW just with twabcontacts and > > > > "include" them via the includeplugin - > > > > But I must admit that not beeing able to use twab in IE & GoogleChrome > > > > - makes me consider taking the csv import functions only - to fill a > > > > more simple template.. (To be honest I don't have a clue what is > > > > causing the problem...) > > > > > YS Måns Mårtensson > > > > > On 31 Mar., 02:56, Morris Gray <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 31, 8:49 am, Måns <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I'd like to delete the contactfunctions and use twab instead.(Which > > > > > > I > > > > > > already have translated partly..) > > > > > > Twab have some nice csv import functions which make it most usefull > > > > > > for importing a large number of contacts at once. > > > > > > I have already done that and have it working to some degree but began > > > > > to feel TWAB might be a bit heavy for what the rest of TW Tudu was > > > > > intended for as it grew larger and larger. > > > > > > > Some day I'd like to do some real translation where I restrain > > > > > > myself > > > > > > to JUST translate the original works of some of you TWmagicians who > > > > > > know how to make smallsize mastodonts out of a TW... > > > > > > If I might be so bold as to suggest that you do 'just' a translation > > > > > this time:-) Consider it an exercise in experimenting with self- > > > > > control :-) It should be quite enjoyable to translate only rather than > > > > > trying to construct a whole new TidddlyWiki at the same time. > > > > > > That way you'll have a working basic Danish model quite quickly that > > > > > you can share. While you are translating many ideas will come to you > > > > > for improvements which you make note of (but don't implement in this > > > > > version:-) > > > > > > Then use that as a basis for constructing the ideal 'Deluxe' version > > > > > with all the bells and whistles with most of the translation already > > > > > done for you. Now you can concentrate on your desired improvements > > > > > with a minimum of translation effort. > > > > > > Doing it in two stages will result in two TiddlyWikis that may appeal > > > > > to different users, a light version and a 'power' users version. > > > > > > Just my random thoughts for the day:-) > > > > > > Morris Grayhttp://twhelp.tiddlyspot.com > > > > > A TiddlyWiki help file for beginners > > > > > > On Mar 31, 8:49 am, Måns <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks Morris - I very impressed by your design and adaption twtudu > > > > > > (http://twtudu.tiddlyspot.com) > > > > > > And I think I might choose that version because of the nice design!! > > > > > > > I'd like to delete the contactfunctions and use twab instead.(Which > > > > > > I > > > > > > already have translated partly..) > > > > > > Twab have some nice csv import functions which make it most usefull > > > > > > for importing a large number of contacts at once. > > > > > > > I will have to experiment a lot to see if I can integrate twab in > > > > > > the > > > > > > existing environment - but I think it's worth it. > > > > > > Maybe I just end up with my own version - cluttered with all kinds > > > > > > of > > > > > > extra plugins and stuff- as usual.. > > > > > > > Some day I'd like to do some real translation where I restrain > > > > > > myself > > > > > > to JUST translate the original works of some of you TWmagicians who > > > > > > know how to make smallsize mastodonts out of a TW... > > > > > > > But untill then I just fiddle around and learn a lot about TW in > > > > > > the > > > > > > process.. > > > > > > > I believe that there are a lot of potential in localisation of TW - > > > > > > because one of the true strenghts of TW is that it is really simple > > > > > > for people who are not familiar with nettechnologies but are used to > > > > > > navigate in browsers. > > > > > > Those people are often not academic or very well educated - > > > > > > therefore > > > > > > they avoid pages on foreign languages... > > > > > > I'd like to address this issue - .... But I might need some more > > > > > > experience - I'm a lot like TW myself - nonlinear and all ;-) - so > > > > > > I > > > > > > need to make plans and maybe this tiddlydu3 thing is the start of a > > > > > > more structured way to follow up on the goals that I might have..?! > > > > > > > Thanks for the tips.. > > > > > > > YS Måns Mårtensson > > > > > > > On 30 Mar., 15:28, Morris Gray <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > My Danish is limited to Continental breakfasts:-) But what about > > > > > > > listing all tiddlers not tagged with systemConfig and translating > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > of them, that would be most all of the important TiddlyDu3 > > > > > > > 'working > > > > > > > tiddlers'. Some of the ViewTemplates may need to be partially > > > > > > > translated too because of the use of TaggedTemplateTweak. > > > > > > > > Perhaps that would be a good starting point. > > > > > > > > Morris Grayhttp://twhelp.tiddlyspot.com > > > > > > > A TiddlyWiki help file for beginners > > > > > > > > On Mar 30, 6:04 pm, Måns <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > I would like to translate Mr Dave Giffords TiddlyDu3 into > > > > > > > > Danish - and > > > > > > > > I wonder if there is a good way to do this. > > > > > > > > I've translated the core functions of TW already - but it's the > > > > > > > > menusystem and all related tiddlers I'm after. > > > > > > > > > I've translated/modified less complicated TWs before - but I > > > > > > > > wonder if > > > > > > > > there's a best practice for this kind of thing? > > > > > > > > > I don't just want to "make it work" - as I have up till now - I > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > like to do it properly. > > > > > > > > If you have a best practice or even guideline for me to follow > > > > > > > > - I > > > > > > > > would be most gratefull. > > > > > > > > > YS Måns Mårtensson --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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