Hi Skye I sounds very nice, simple and intuitive - the thing you do with presentations and treeview. I'm not sure if it is just as easy to setup though... Could/would you make/share an exampledocument to show how you do it?
YS Måns Mårtensson On 7 Okt., 02:16, skye riquelme <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi All > > Exporting a presentation from Impress using Flash format does a good > job of keeping the original slides as they were. It' s then simple to > watch your flash presentation from within a tiddler........... > > But what makes TW better than Powerpoint is the ability to add in > other information. For example.....I don´t actually use Powerpoint...I > work directly in TW (using Pauls SlideShowPlugin)......and I usually > have the right sidebar panel loaded with a TWTreeView tiddler that > reads a config.options value....so when I open presentation #1....the > right colum automatically refreshes to show all the references I used > to generate that presentation.....switching to presentation #2...and > now references for presentation #2 are nicely displayed and organised > by TWTreeView..........at the end of the course I simply give the > participants a CD that has my TW (and its supporting fotos..images) > and now the participants have the presentation, all the > references...maybe extra notes.......whatever you want to add....you > can add in UploadTiddlerPlugin and use the TW as the document that > participants use to answer questions and the TW sends them to the > teachers home-copy.....add in LoadTiddlers and now each participants > TW gets updated with the assignment answers of all the other > participants.....now we are getting into good collaborative > education........not just a Powerpoint look-alike...... > > Keep the creativity going guys.......... > > Skye > > On 5 Out, 20:00, Måns <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Sorry: > > ... - You need much time > > to get the idea of how it works and the learningcurve is *very very* > > low, ... > > should be: > > You *don't* need much time > > to get the idea of how it works and the learningcurve is *very very* > > low > > > Regards Måns Mårtensson > > > On 6 Okt., 00:56, Måns <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi Craig > > > I don't think you can weary me :-) or wear me out - or what the > > > correct expression might be.. > > > If I was to convince someone to use TW as an presentationTool - I > > > would first show them how TW works as a simple notedatabase - and then > > > show them how easy it is to turn the notes into a presentation.. > > > TW's strength is not just beeing a container for content made in > > > another fundamentally different tool - it's the workflow and the > > > ability to create individualized systems which sets it apart from > > > anything else - especially PowerPoint... > > > > *If* I however should introduce a radical improvement compared to > > > Powerpoint - which is almost embarrassingly obvious - yet very > > > digestable for someone who is used to Powerpoint (I believe..) - I > > > would make a showcase with VUE (Visual Understanding > > > Environment)http://vue.tufts.edu/ > > > Here's a truly great tool which combines simple mindmapping and > > > slidepresentations in a way that makes Powerpoint look hopelessly > > > primitive - and incapable of delivering even the simplest overview of > > > context... > > > > TiddlyWiki has it's own way of delivering context - web2.0'ish in > > > conduct - tags - fields - tables etc - But it needs to be fed - and > > > customized for effective use. > > > VUE is a finished solution for making presentations in a way that > > > affects every aspect of making presentations - even the research and > > > collection of images is implemented in a way that makes it stand > > > out... > > > > Its OpenSource and very worth while looking into - You need much time > > > to get the idea of how it works and the learningcurve is *very very* > > > low, (and short...) > > > VUE has all sorts of student/professorfriendly exportformats - so why > > > not make a total switch? - be radical - change the workflow and turn > > > everything upside down... > > > > Again my opinion is (I might be wrong of course...) TW's strenght is > > > *not* just beeing a container for what is made in another program - > > > It's the nonlinear linking, web2.0'ish behaviour that makes people > > > think differently and change perspective (make systems with tags and > > > links)- the notes you make *can* turn into "pure gold" when you > > > discover that you can make the document into a presentationtool as > > > well - but to compare it with Powerpoint ---- ? > > > I wouldn't try to convince someone who hasn't discovered TW's great > > > advantages (compared to a simple Word-document) - of it's > > > presentationabilities - especially not - if they are used to a > > > "closed" environment as Powerpoint - which sole point is to power up a > > > series of slides.... nothing more. > > > > Try VUE - it's different.http://vue.tufts.edu/ > > > > Regards Måns Mårtensson > > > > On 5 Okt., 20:34, Craig in Calgary <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Måns, > > > > > All your suggestions are excellent if I only want to view the PPT > > > > content within a TW context. However, what I am trying to do is create > > > > a turnkey method of converting PPT content into TW-editable content. > > > > Why? This goes hand-in-hand with my post on Scientific Research > > > > (http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/t/7ea2c7a6f43e58b0?hl=en). > > > > I haven't finalized permission from my professor but I believe my TW > > > > research is going to focus on the benefits of students and faculty > > > > using TW instead of PowerPoint as a delivery mechanism for lecture > > > > content. I hope to be able to conduct a trial with several different > > > > professors in different academic disciplines where they will present > > > > one lecture as they normally do and another lecture through a TW. > > > > After the students are tested on the material from both lectures I > > > > will survey to determine if retention was improved by the use of TW as > > > > an editable resource. > > > > > The easier I can make it on myself to migrate content to TWs, the > > > > broader my trial and survey will be. The window of time is just a few > > > > weeks and I need to reduce the workload as much as possible. > > > > Additionally, at the conclusion of my research, if my findings are as > > > > positive as I believe they will be, it is likely some of those > > > > professors might consider adopting this strategy more widely. For > > > > *their* sake I need to find or craft an automated solution. > > > > > In tinkering with PowerPoint 2007 with a 26-slide sample PPT I have > > > > determined that the PDF and MHT formats (Save As...) accurately > > > > reproduce the look of each slide. The MHTs render poorly in Firefox > > > > (my preferred browser) and render nicely in IE *if* I place the MHT > > > > file in the root directory or a directory with no spaces or special > > > > characters in the path. The Publish --> Create Handouts in Microsoft > > > > Word option did a tolerable job of creating (too) small images of each > > > > slide and adding speaker notes beside or below each image. If I chose > > > > "Outline only" I get all the slide text but no images of the slides or > > > > embedded images, no speaker notes, and no formatting or layout of the > > > > slide text in a way that could be easily combined with the other > > > > Publish method (small images and speaker notes). There is even a > > > > Publish --> Publish Slides options which creates a PPTX for each slide > > > > in the deck. I haven't experimented with these files yet but I > > > > wouldn't be opposed to constructing a batch process against all the > > > > PPTXs in a directory. > > > > > In tinkering with OpenOffice.org's Impress application, the same > > > > sample PPT imports flawlessly. Export... --> File format: HTML > > > > Document yields the same results as File --> Preview in Web Browser: > > > > it generates an HTML file with an embedded image for each slide and a > > > > second HTML file with the slide text for each slide, excluding the > > > > slide titles. These render well enough, except: > > > > * The text HTMLs don't have the slide titles. This is where I would > > > > cut/paste the text from so the missing titles is a problem. However, > > > > if my solution requires grepping and schlepping content amongst HTML > > > > files, then grabbing the slide titles from the <title></title> tags > > > > will not be an issue. > > > > * The text HTMLs have a bug. The first paragraph of slide text is > > > > pushed into the highest <h> tag on the page. For example, a page with > > > > only several bullets (<ul><li></li></ul>) has the first bullet of > > > > content pushed into an <h2></h2> or <h3></h3>. Again, if grepping and > > > > schlepping must occur, cleaning up the content will just be another > > > > step in the laborious process. > > > > * The image HTMLs have a navigation bar at the top of the page for > > > > First page, Back, Continue, Last page, Overview, and Text. The text > > > > HTMLs don't have the same icon bar. They just have hyperlinks. Boring > > > > and inconsistent. Possibly not relevant if I don't use the HTMLs > > > > unmodified. > > > > * There is no option for exporting just the embedded images within > > > > slides, not the entire slide as an image. > > > > > I suspect my solution might involve each tiddler containing an image > > > > of the original slide and the editable text. This will provide the > > > > student a reference point for the original content after they have > > > > modified the text to suit themselves. > > > > > Other possibilities > > > > > I uploaded the PPT to Google Docs. It looks fine there but the only > > > > "Download presentation as" options are PDF, PPT, TXT. The TXT is > > > > useless. > > > > > Moving beyond the conventional to the extreme, I have access to many > > > > different applications, e.g. SnagIt, FAR (Find and Replace), numerous > > > > editors for any imaginable content type, that might contribute to a > > > > multi-step solution. I hope to avoid such complexity but here is my > > > > plan-of-action as of this moment. I'm mostly thinking out loud here, > > > > subject to change: > > > > > With an instructor-provided PPT I will craft a process that: > > > > 1. > > ... > > læs mere » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
