Hello everyone
Thanks so much for all the discussion. I was hoping for something a bit
simpler and with some creative thinking may be able to come up with some
suggestions that need less expert knowledge and simpler steps. For example:
- I recently (a recent post?) read about writing to a google spreadsheet
and then reading that with Tiddlywiki. That person has obviously worked out
how to read a google spreadsheet.
- Quine works with the share button on iPhone. It stores the item that you
share as a separate Tiddlywiki (I think) which you then need to import. If
there was a way to auto import that may well solve the problem. Is there a
way to auto import another toddler/tiddlywiki?
- there are Drafts "scripts" that do all kinds of amazing things. I could
ask the drafts community but I'm not sure what to ask them right now. I'm
sure drafts can export a HTML, but it may be able to do something that is
even easier to get into tw? The scripts can do amazing things and work with
many diverse apps.
- I think it was in regard to IFTTT that I read about the google
spreadsheet (I think I was a widget - or whatever IFTTT calls them- that
did something like that). There may be another IFTTT solution? There are
also other services that join apps and services together (Zapier). Not sure
if it is worth thinking about?

Your suggestions above may well be more elegant and natural and not relying
on other things but I'm trying to work with what I know and don't need to
learn.

What I don't understand is if you have something in a file (HTML, text or
other) can you get tw to read/import it automatically? I guess you can link
to things outside tw, is there something that does more than link or can tw
read something that it has a link for?

These may all be newbie silly questions but they are mine and I'm sure
there are a lot of others out there who have them or similar. I have an
opinion on the side discussion that was happening about making tw more
friendly for beginners and that is the struggle I am having now. I'd like
to write some more about that experience but I'll just mention the first
thing that came to mind.

I quickly discovered (after the answer to my first question in this group -
I think from Tony?) that if I want to get into tw more then I need to learn
CSS (or at least know what it is and some of the terms) and then I learnt
that it helps learning CSS if I have some understanding of HTML. I found a
couple of courses and even the few intro lessons have been enormously
helpful. Not sure if you agree that you need to know those things, but even
the language that you are using in this group to help me assumes lots of
knowledge (CSS and HTML!?).

I'm not criticising but trying to give you a newbie perspective. I didn't
really plan to join a new community but I guess I have been drawn in! It is
kind of interesting and fun as was mentioned, but it is also time consuming
and it is a bit humiliating and embarrassing to have to ask silly questions
and spend a lot of time trying to understand difficult ideas and language,
even when someone is trying to help you.

One simple thing that can be done is to make the easy courses more readily
findable (front and centre on the front page?). I found tiddlytoddler quite
good (and a relief!) and another one or two that I can't remember now. The
videos are quite good (8 part series) but I didn't go first to them because
I was in a hurry. I'm not sure that it was easy to find them apart from
youtube directing me there after I watched the one that was linked to on
the tw front page.

I realise that pointing out these issues probably means being part of the
answer. I'll have a think about that but I can at least try to document
what I learn in simple language that even I can understand and make it
available for others. While its still all fresh and frustrating I'll try to
remember and write some of the things that I struggled with when I first
started that the intro page didn't help with (or confused me). I guess that
the other question to face is how user friendly do you really want it to
be. I know a lot of people who would never get past the "save"
instructions. It took me quite some time to understand. Tiddly desktop is
ok but that wasn't immediately intuitive either. Please accept these
criticisms as from a friend. You probably already know these things but I
thought it worth pointing out anyway. I'll think about how I can be part of
the solution and will help if I can (and you will have me!).

This is an ongoing discussion and probably worth its own topic (if there
isn't already one).

I really appreciate all of your help and only mention all of this to try to
make things better and give you a little perspective.

Regards

Steve

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On Mon, 21 Oct 2019 at 11:25, TonyM <[email protected]> wrote:

> Steve
>
> See
> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/tiddlywiki/DOM%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/Z--Tvs6eftY/hEv6fVvnCgAJ
>  for
> a short discussion on cleaning html. If you had a way to display your
> current content in HTML and a browser plugin to copy html this html cleaner
> may be a good way to import content.
>
> Keep in mind rather than build many to many converters in tiddlywiki is is
> better to rely on an external many to many converter, ideal batch driven,
> that allows access to a greater range of conversions. Perhaps as a
> community we need to add wiki markup to a good converter.
>
> However recent discussions on regex show using it to extract content from
> html. Which after all is a good pervasive standard. I believe the visual
> editor also accepts pasting html but it stays in html (in which you can
> insert wikitext).
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 2:10:53 PM UTC+11, Steve S wrote:
>>
>> Hello readers,
>>
>> I am trying to work out how to get stuff (e.g. notes) into tw from other
>> apps like drafts. I have tried tw as a GTD capture bucket and its ok but I
>> don't think anything can beat Drafts app and perhaps nvAlt on the Mac. I
>> like tw as a place to store and review and manipulate the stuff I have
>> stored but I can't find an easy way to get stuff into tw from those other
>> apps.
>>
>> I hesitated writing here as I'm not sure how relevant, simple or silly it
>> is, but then I have been told that there is no such thing as a silly
>> question and that if you ask it you often find others who were afraid to!?
>>
>> Any help appreciated.
>>
>> Steve
>>
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