I really appreciate all the recent discussion around multi-user solutions -
though in my usage, it's still not nearly as mature as single-user, which
obviously makes sense. The point of this post is to see if others can point
out something I've missed, as there are a LOT of solutions out there listed
on the "GettingStarted" page, but most are over my head from a technical
standpoint. My technical background is Visual Basic type stuff, not web
stuff. If I can identify that one of them solves all of my problems, I'll
buckle down and try to learn that one.
My environment is a team of about 40 users around Canada/USA, in a
corporate, microsoft-based environment with SharePoint. That (SharePoint)
makes single user stuff ideal - automatic backups, ActiveDirectory
authentication, available everywhere, though unusable from a multi-user
standpoint. The best/easiest multi-user setup is BOBEXE, but there are some
significant drawbacks in comparison, and that's where I'm looking for
input. What I'm building / have built is a project management platform -
similar to an ASANA or something, but that has all the benefits of
TiddlyWiki that we know and love. I *should* probably just use ASANA, but
I'm a long term user and somewhat obsessed, and want to solve all my
problems with TiddlyWiki - I'm sure some of you can relate.
Here's my quick decision matrix from my knowledge - can't seem to type a
table here, so will do as list:
- Content stored in a way that's parse-able. If I can parse it, I can
use other software (like Microsoft Flow/PowerAutomate) to turn new items
into email notifications - like other project management does, or do pseudo
RSS stuff.
- SharePoint/WebDav/ASPX: No ability (that I know of) here
- BOB: Works great - the .tid is a little weird to parse vs. json or
something, but doable
- Wiki responds to simultaneous edits. Absolutely key for my use case
- SharePoint..: Total fail here, you don't see impact of others until
you manually refresh, anything done in that session is lost.
- BOB: Fantastic here, changes are so fast it's like magic
(especially when you're in the same building as the 'server')
- Only *some* tiddlers sync, some don't (like $:/temp/...). This is
important for things like storing usernames etc. as well as many other UI
pieces
- SharePoint: Nope
- BOB: Yup, very customizable
- Backups: Obviously the easier the better
- SharePoint: Tons and automatic, though at full file-level
- BOB: Can do manually due to file storage, little painful by
comparison but workable
- Available on mobile:
- SharePoint: Yep, security just goes through ActiveDirectory, then
works same as on-network, beautiful
- BOB: Not that I know of, I keep reading about something called
Termux, not sure if that's easy enough to scale to all 40 of us (most
less
technical than myself)?
- Available off-corporate network:
- SharePoint: Yep, works normally from home
- BOB: Some of my users have VPN access and can access it from home,
some don't / can't. Is there a different solution?
- Reconnectability: My team constantly docks and undocks their laptops
flipping back and forth LAN / WIFI all day
- SharePoint: No issues
- BOB: I've never got the re-connect ability to work, and sometimes
it doesn't even give the red warning until after significant work has
been
done - little painful
- Summary
- SharePoint: Fantastic and easy for single-author stuff that's not
very interactive, but like a standard wiki. Not going to work for my use
case
- BOB: Good at what it was designed for, though a little painful from
an access / user convenience point of view vs. something like ASANA
(hosted
solution)
I can't help but think that TiddlySpace (which I was aware of, but didn't
really need at the time) would've been the best of both worlds. The
'future' list of BOB looks like hosting may come eventually, but is not
there yet. Let me just say again that I don't want this to come across as
overly critical, I'm very thankful for TiddlyWiki, BOB (Jed), and the rest
of this community donating so much time. I'm just hoping some of you with
more experience in web stuff than me can point out something I've missed.
Also I'll say that while this may seem like an edge case, if someone were
to monetize TiddlyWiki, a multi-user platform like how I'm trying to use it
would be a *great* place to start. If I can't figure this out I think I'll
be paying some alternative at least $10 / user / month in perpetuity.
Sorry for the long post - appreciate you if you made it this far :)
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