Hi Stobot As Mark mentioned, for the last couple of years I’ve been offering an online multiuser TiddlyWiki hosting service called Xememex as part of my commercial services through https://federatial.com/ <https://federatial.com/>. Most of what I do is bespoke software development to adapt TW5 to the specific needs of a business but the hosting service was necessary to be able to address the use cases that customers were willing to pay me for.
Xememex is very simple: tiddlers are stored as individual files in S3 buckets. There is a series of Lambda functions that splice those tiddlers into static TW5 HTML files, and an API to enable those wikis to load and save individual tiddlers to S3. Authentication is via Amazon Cognito. There are also Lambda functions to run TW5 within AWS as a static site generator (e.g. Federatial’s site is a automatically generated static rendering of the wiki at https://xememex.com/federatial/ <https://xememex.com/federatial/>). The end result is a robust, multiuser implementation of TiddlyWiki, with the storage semantics of TiddlySpace (ie content is stored in bags, which are combined into recipes, and spaces which contain automatically generated renderings of recipes). The largest public instance of Xememex is https://manuals.annafreud.org/ <https://manuals.annafreud.org/> which currently has just shy of a thousand users. The largest private instance of Xememex is for a US law firm and has just over 100 users. Xememex is designed to cope with large wikis — the US law firm is using a wiki of almost 100MB with tens of thousands of tiddlers. Their preferred tradeoff is to accept 10 second loading times in exchange for instantaneous operation once the wiki is loaded. Feel free to drop me a line privately to discuss if you’re interested. I should also note that I share Tony’s interest in adapting TW5 to be able to use SharePoint as a generic backend, with the promise of massively reducing the friction for internal corporate deployments of TW5. Best wishes Jeremy > I really appreciate all the recent discussion around multi-user solutions - > though in my usage, it's still not nearly as mature as single-user, which > obviously makes sense. The point of this post is to see if others can point > out something I've missed, as there are a LOT of solutions out there listed > on the "GettingStarted" page, but most are over my head from a technical > standpoint. My technical background is Visual Basic type stuff, not web > stuff. If I can identify that one of them solves all of my problems, I'll > buckle down and try to learn that one. > > My environment is a team of about 40 users around Canada/USA, in a corporate, > microsoft-based environment with SharePoint. That (SharePoint) makes single > user stuff ideal - automatic backups, ActiveDirectory authentication, > available everywhere, though unusable from a multi-user standpoint. The > best/easiest multi-user setup is BOBEXE, but there are some significant > drawbacks in comparison, and that's where I'm looking for input. What I'm > building / have built is a project management platform - similar to an ASANA > or something, but that has all the benefits of TiddlyWiki that we know and > love. I *should* probably just use ASANA, but I'm a long term user and > somewhat obsessed, and want to solve all my problems with TiddlyWiki - I'm > sure some of you can relate. > > Here's my quick decision matrix from my knowledge - can't seem to type a > table here, so will do as list: > Content stored in a way that's parse-able. If I can parse it, I can use other > software (like Microsoft Flow/PowerAutomate) to turn new items into email > notifications - like other project management does, or do pseudo RSS stuff. > SharePoint/WebDav/ASPX: No ability (that I know of) here > BOB: Works great - the .tid is a little weird to parse vs. json or something, > but doable > Wiki responds to simultaneous edits. Absolutely key for my use case > SharePoint..: Total fail here, you don't see impact of others until you > manually refresh, anything done in that session is lost. > BOB: Fantastic here, changes are so fast it's like magic (especially when > you're in the same building as the 'server') > Only *some* tiddlers sync, some don't (like $:/temp/...). This is important > for things like storing usernames etc. as well as many other UI pieces > SharePoint: Nope > BOB: Yup, very customizable > Backups: Obviously the easier the better > SharePoint: Tons and automatic, though at full file-level > BOB: Can do manually due to file storage, little painful by comparison but > workable > Available on mobile: > SharePoint: Yep, security just goes through ActiveDirectory, then works same > as on-network, beautiful > BOB: Not that I know of, I keep reading about something called Termux, not > sure if that's easy enough to scale to all 40 of us (most less technical than > myself)? > Available off-corporate network: > SharePoint: Yep, works normally from home > BOB: Some of my users have VPN access and can access it from home, some don't > / can't. Is there a different solution? > Reconnectability: My team constantly docks and undocks their laptops flipping > back and forth LAN / WIFI all day > SharePoint: No issues > BOB: I've never got the re-connect ability to work, and sometimes it doesn't > even give the red warning until after significant work has been done - little > painful > Summary > SharePoint: Fantastic and easy for single-author stuff that's not very > interactive, but like a standard wiki. Not going to work for my use case > BOB: Good at what it was designed for, though a little painful from an access > / user convenience point of view vs. something like ASANA (hosted solution) > I can't help but think that TiddlySpace (which I was aware of, but didn't > really need at the time) would've been the best of both worlds. The 'future' > list of BOB looks like hosting may come eventually, but is not there yet. Let > me just say again that I don't want this to come across as overly critical, > I'm very thankful for TiddlyWiki, BOB (Jed), and the rest of this community > donating so much time. I'm just hoping some of you with more experience in > web stuff than me can point out something I've missed. Also I'll say that > while this may seem like an edge case, if someone were to monetize > TiddlyWiki, a multi-user platform like how I'm trying to use it would be a > *great* place to start. If I can't figure this out I think I'll be paying > some alternative at least $10 / user / month in perpetuity. > > Sorry for the long post - appreciate you if you made it this far :) > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/bcc2f3b2-c8b1-43ca-98dc-324691a51c98%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/bcc2f3b2-c8b1-43ca-98dc-324691a51c98%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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