Hi Dave,

I think I need to see an example page in action to understand how you're 
using
the sources and outline features.

Thanks!

On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 1:35:38 PM UTC-8, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Mark S: I did not try your plugin because I was in the process of writing 
> a large amount of new documentation as well as changing some of the system 
> tiddlers.
>
> Everyone: Please have a look at a significant update to TiddlyBlink (
> https://giffmex.org/gifts/tiddlyblink.html). I think this is cleaner and 
> adds more functionality and options.
>
> On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 2:13:36 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> You might consider listing the required and recommended plugins in your 
>> documentation, and maybe where to get them. I was
>> going to do that in the attached files readme, but ran out of time (see 
>> below).
>>
>> Usually you would not package other peoples' plugins inside of yours, 
>> even though that might seem convenient. There's the
>> possibility of plugin conflict, for one thing. 
>>
>> I've attached a first pass at making your project into a plugin. I just 
>> used Tinka, which makes the process pretty easy.
>>
>> The main non-intuitive thing is the names for the readme files. They're 
>> your stem name ($:/plugins/giffmex/tiddlyblink/) followed by "readme", 
>> "dependents", etc.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 11:46:01 AM UTC-8, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Mark! Works great. I am making some additional documentation and 
>>> options for TiddlyBlink, and will notify here when it is ready.
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 12:28:18 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hmm. It's the colons in your default names. The colon is used as a key 
>>>> separator in the data dictionary. 
>>>>
>>>> Ok. Delete "TiddlyBlinkFoldData" Now when you run and click on unfold, 
>>>> it will create a JSON data dictionary which is immune to the ":" problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 9:45:48 AM UTC-8, David Gifford wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I uploaded it for you to see at 
>>>>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/tbmetemplatetestfolding.html
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 11:42:11 AM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Needless to say, it works perfectly when I do it. See below Maybe you 
>>>>>> could send me or link me what you're doing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 9:27:52 AM UTC-8, David Gifford wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Mark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for your kind and patient efforts to improve TiddlyBlink.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I installed your json attachment in an empty file of TB, and 
>>>>>>> refreshed, then created 'Parent topic' and with the clock button 
>>>>>>> created 
>>>>>>> two child tiddlers. The unfold icon appears for each in the parent 
>>>>>>> tiddler, 
>>>>>>> but nothing happens when I click the icon. Interestingly, the child 
>>>>>>> tiddlers DID show something, but when I clicked hide, it completely hid 
>>>>>>> it, 
>>>>>>> with no unhide button or anything, so it disappeared completely. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 11:10:22 AM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's something to try. The attached makes changes to 
>>>>>>>> $:/.giffmex/ViewTemplate/refstransclude 
>>>>>>>> and adds a tiddler to track states.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This adds a "fold" or "unfold" icon next to each title. The default 
>>>>>>>> is folded.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The states of folding are saved in a single data tiddler, so you 
>>>>>>>> don't have to worry about a lot of background tiddlers building up. 
>>>>>>>> The 
>>>>>>>> downside is that the state will be forgotten when the tiddler name is 
>>>>>>>> changed. Since that is likely to be infrequent, and only results in a 
>>>>>>>> tiddler defaulting to the closed state, that seems like a minor price 
>>>>>>>> to 
>>>>>>>> pay.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just drag and drop (I assume you have backups ;-) )
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 11:15:51 AM UTC-8, David Gifford 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would love this, and it would imitate Roam on this point, but I 
>>>>>>>>> am not sure how it would work. Wouldn't each tiddler need a separate 
>>>>>>>>> state 
>>>>>>>>> tiddler? That would affect # of tiddlers and filesize and I am 
>>>>>>>>> assuming it 
>>>>>>>>> would hasten the moment when the file would become sluggish. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If someone were to come up with a viable snippet as to how to do 
>>>>>>>>> It, I am willing to try it. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 12:19:30 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Suggestion -- a reveal/hide button around transclusions, so 
>>>>>>>>>> you're not overwhelmed by larger texts
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>

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