On Nov 22, 5:30 am, Tobias Beer <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Tobias,
Thank you for you very lucid delineation of the transclusion conundrum the way you see it. It is very helpful. You are smarter than the average Beer ;-) > So, do you > have any specific example which you can put up and ask: How in the > world would you describe what's going on in this case? I will in the fullness of time. However it may be presented as near le fait accompli due to the magnitude of the various incarnations of transclusion components; however, there will only be a handful of words and if it goes beyond three or four a glossary may be provided if found necessary:-) > If what you're doing evolves into a complex functional > system in its own right... then those (terms for) sturctures will > surely follow as you just can't do without. This is true, as necessity is the mother of invention. > Setting up meaningful relations via naming and tagging of tiddlers > doesn't seem to differ much for pojects involving transclusion as > opposed to, say, some general-content-tiddlywiki. It could differ because of the so-called 'non-linear' nature of TiddlyWiki is already hard to grasp for the uninitiated. Transclusion is not a common term, and in practice can create unusual relationships that may be hard to track down if they are compounded. I'm already having this problem and I'm designing it:-) For some the construction of a TiddlyWiki for a particular application becomes an end in itself and the application never gets completed as they get caught in the vortex of TiddlyWiki versatility :-) http://twhelp.tiddlyspot.com/#TiddlyWikiWoes Your tabulation above of noun and verbs is a valuable starting place. I may name something after you, some charming Beerism perhaps, or more likely a transclusion-beer-break while one tries to figure out where some transclusion came from or where-in-the-hell did that go?... :-) Oh well, back to work... Morris On Nov 22, 5:30 am, Tobias Beer <[email protected]> wrote: > I have (at least) two barriers with your request. > > 1) I can only imaginably understand your naming problem. So, do you > have any specific example which you can put up and ask: How in the > world would you describe what's going on in this case? ...so that we > can go and tag your things with words of our choice and (you) decide > (for yourself) which ones seem most suitable? > > 2) I think conventions as for structure should not be overly stressed > outside the core... in other words, they're very much depending on the > use-case. If what you're doing evolves into a complex functional > system in its own right... then those (terms for) sturctures will > surely follow as you just can't do without. However, I am not sure if > for such a partial aspect to work out well it requires the whole > tiddlyverse to be speaking the same language... that's just doesn't > seem to be how languages evolve ...whereas you use words ...and if you > find that noone understands your words, though you tried real hard to > explain yourself, they're likely to be forgotten quickly or in that > other case become tied into the expressive network of whatever > language you're dealing with. > > I, personally, am perfectly fine with using 'transclusion' as a > propper verb and noun, such as... > > *This is a transclusion of A into B. > *A is transcluded into B > *I am transcluding A into B > *B uses transclusion to pull in content from A via an inline script. > *I have a multi-level transclusion, which uses methods in (hidden) > sections of A to systematically pull different content elements and > output an aggregated summary into B > *ect... > > So, again, maybe all that is required for this to be well communicated > you just need a basic idea of what those things are that you can do > with transclusion... so that you can imagine what someone else is > speaking of when talking about such. > > Setting up meaningful relations via naming and tagging of tiddlers > doesn't seem to differ much for pojects involving transclusion as > opposed to, say, some general-content-tiddlywiki. > > Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=.
