It's not practicable to use long tag titles. It also complicates things to use spaces in tags.
It would be helpful if you could navigate the tags by keyboard, rather than by mouse. That is, that you could tab into the tag field and then use the up/down keys to locate your tag. It doesn't seem to even be possible to navigate INTO the tag drop down using arrow keys. I suppose the real problem with tags is that they're displayed in a vertical list. If they were spread across a table, then it might be easier to use large numbers of them. Creating subsets of tags seems like the most practical approach to large numbers of tags. Of course, if you have a really good memory, then you'll be fine with just typing two or three letters to narrow the list. But you might find as you get older that that approach is not as friendly as it used to be. If you try TiddlyBlink, you'll find that you can create a kind of tree using links. Links do pollute the text space, but so do #hashtags. And it seems like everybody is good with that these days. On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 5:24:19 AM UTC-8, HC Haase wrote: > > > This is inspired from my threat on tag picker slowdown > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/TiddlyWiki/Lax5pGtwVT4> and > Dave's threat on bi-directional linking > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/TiddlyWiki/bi-directional%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/LUVTps01UBU/rwQW8-_HFQAJ>. > > From these discussions on the TW tech and user behaviour with relations, I > think it could be useful to have a more fundamental discussion about > relations (tags and links). > > > Different folks different strokes, is a good thing to remember when > talking TW. I will do my best to remember that not all, do things the same > way as I. But sometime I might forget. > > I will approach this from my own point of view. This is not to say that > this is the right way to do referencing, but is an attempt to get some > clarity by starting at one point. > > In terms of relations between tiddlers we have > > 1. tags: can be hierarchies as in the TOC, and more network oriented. > It gives us categories > 2. links: is a stronger relation that tags, it gives us a direct > connection to another tiddler. > 3. backlinks: are also links, but not as intentional as normal links, > thus these could bring some emergence and show connection you forgot. > 4. list > 5. listed > 6. searches (and bimlas forward linking > > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/TiddlyWiki/forward$20linking%7Csort:relevance/tiddlywiki/2XxI2apw6e4/8E7AJAszBwAJ> > > thing) > > > I don't see list and listed as too relevant right now, so I will leave > them out for now. > > > The way I see it tags and links are different. Links are more direct and > intentional - a strong relation if you will. Tags are a broader categories > (and/or hierarchical). This also means that tags become my primary > mechanism for order and links get a more ad hoc use. I had the feeling that > this is the way tags and links were designed/thought to be used (but I > could be wrong). > > So in summery > > > - tags > - hierarchy > - category/keyword > - primary sorter > - many out of the box features (toc macro, tagging filter, colour > coding, drop-down picker) > - don't pollute the text space > - links > - stronger link > - more ad hoc > - secondary sorter > - not (out of the box) optimal for hierarchies > - may pollute the text space > > > > Some people rely more on links instead of tags and some more on fields > (other than tag). This puzzled me a bit. But if you make some lists that > show nested list of links, to show hierarchy, you could use links for the > same as tags (e.g. Dave's blink edition > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/TiddlyWiki/bi-directional%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/oWNZa3i4EoE/bQTVf_gqAAAJ>). > > SO maybe there are no real difference between tags and links? Can they be > used interchangeable? and if so why not only have one method? > > You link people; > > > - is there an advantage/disadvantage to using links for hierarchy? > - And how do you use links? do you have a "see also" section with > keyword links? > - do you distinguish between "a link to another tiddler" and "child of > tiddler link"? > > > Tags have many advantages that links do not have (out of the box) (toc > macro,tagging filter, colour coding, drop-down picker). but if we strip > them of these fancy cloths, are they any different than links? > > Maybe I am rambling now.. I properly managed to confuse myself. I look > forward to hearing your thoughts on this. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/f6bcb9ec-e858-4b4c-a848-7c216ac1ab3e%40googlegroups.com.
