Saq I am now officially drooling. You have been holding out on us, man!
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:24 AM Saq Imtiaz <saq.imt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Regarding dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.
>
> Here is how I currently have it set up in my TiddlyWiki:
>
> [image: tw-substory.png]
>
> Note the dropzones above each story. Furthermore there is a "divert"
> tiddler button in the toolbar for each tiddler, that will open the tiddler
> in the other story. Lastly, the "Open" tab in the sidebar can be used to
> drag and drop tiddlers between stories.
>
> The way I have this setup is a little bit involved and involves some JS
> code to modify some core behaviour, and there may have been improvements in
> the core to make this a little easier since. Jeremy and I discussed some of
> this in late 2017 but I haven't followed TW development after that until
> just recently. The most salient of the changes we discussed was introducing
> a mechanism for a TW to be aware of what stories are being used, by means
> of either a tag or a tiddler list identifying the storylist tiddlers.
>
> Anyway, give me a few hours and I'll see if I can distill my setup down to
> the minimum you need to get this up and running for opening tiddlers in the
> substory.
> Regards,
> Saq
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:08:20 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Saq, for the code. That works great!
>>
>> I am looking forward to your forthcoming promised comments!
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:01 AM Saq Imtiaz <saq....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi David, it's been a while :) Hope you are well.
>>>
>>> So the substory is exactly the same as, and supports the same features
>>> as the main story. The example on tiddlywiki.com uses a streamlined,
>>> inlined viewtemplate that only provides a button to close every tiddler.
>>> Instead, if you pass the appropriate viewtemplate and edittemplate to the
>>> listwidget controlling the story, you can get the exact same interface as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> To get your substory to behave exactly the same as you main story try
>>> the following instead of the substory code from tiddlywiki.com:
>>>
>>> <$navigator story="MySubStoryList" history="MySubHistoryList">
>>> Click this link to get started: HelloThere
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[list[MySubStoryList]]" history="$:/MySubHistoryList"
>>> template={{$:/config/ui/ViewTemplate}}
>>> editTemplate={{$:/config/ui/EditTemplate}} storyview={{$:/view}}
>>> emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}}/>
>>>
>>> </$navigator>
>>>
>>> Obviously the "Click this links to get started" is just for demo
>>> purposes.
>>>
>>> Note that you could even use a different storyview or emptyMessage for
>>> this story.
>>> You can create custom edit and view templates to offer a different
>>> viewing and editing experience, re-creating the exact Roam parallel UI
>>> would be easy this way.
>>>
>>> Personally I think having this in a parallel div to the main story is
>>> more intuitive rather than in a tab, if I wanted to compare two tiddlers I
>>> would want them to line up better than they currently do in TiddlyBlink.
>>> I've been using this setup since late 2017 and while I don't always need
>>> it, it is very useful when I do.
>>>
>>> More to follow on dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.
>>> Regards,
>>> Saq
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 2:01:00 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Saq
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for sharing the video of your dual column TiddlyWiki. That looks
>>>> promising!
>>>>
>>>> Questions about SubStories:
>>>>
>>>> 1) How does it "allow you to edit"? I am not seeing that.
>>>>
>>>> 2) I tagged a tiddler with the SubStories code with $:/tags/SideBar. Is
>>>> it possible to create a 'dropzone' in that tiddler so that the user could
>>>> drag a link to the dropzone and have it automatically open there? Maybe
>>>> when dropping tiddlers there, it changes a state tiddler to include those
>>>> tiddlers, and the substories tiddler displays all the tiddlers in the state
>>>> tiddler? And closing a tiddler removes it from the state tiddler? I don't
>>>> know how to do any of this, of course, just thinking out loud to light a
>>>> spark in someone else's mind.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:35:07 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> David: have you considered a sub-story in the parallel tab? This would
>>>>> allow you to edit, as well as open multiple tiddlers there. Shift+click
>>>>> from the main story to open in the sub-story isn't difficult either.
>>>>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Creating%20SubStories
>>>>>
>>>>> In fact I would consider putting the substory in a separate parallel
>>>>> div to the main story, which can be toggled, rather than in the parallel
>>>>> tab for a better side by side viewing experience. You could also set it up
>>>>> so that shift+click in the main story showed the parallel div and the
>>>>> substory in it, and opened the relevant tiddler there.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Roam interface with the parallel viewing reminds me somewhat of my
>>>>> own two-story layout Tiddlywiki, which sadly isn't packaged well enough to
>>>>> distribute:
>>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cnubb9osgvfqz4p/tw-dual-story.mp4?dl=0
>>>>>
>>>>> However I can offer guidance to anyone trying to implement the same.
>>>>> It's mostly wiki markup with some sprinklings of javascript to glue things
>>>>> together from what I remember, I haven't fiddled with this in a couple of
>>>>> years.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 9:49:20 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The other main drawback to the parallel tab is that it is in view
>>>>>> mode, not in edit mode.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would welcome code so that
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a) the search box in the parallel tab is auto-complete, and
>>>>>> b) the text field is editable
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This would almost replicate what is available in Roam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:15 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>>>>>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Having to search or paste the name of a page to open it in the
>>>>>>> right side panel - in Roam MAJ + click on any link opens it in the
>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>> side and it's also fully editable straight away so you can work on
>>>>>>> two note
>>>>>>> (tiddlers) or even more in parallel (the side panel can hold many
>>>>>>> notes and
>>>>>>> you can collapse them)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hm, maybe "MAJ" is an acronym for magic of some kind but how would
>>>>>>>> you click on any link unless all links were displayed all the time.
>>>>>>>> Surely
>>>>>>>> you must search first? Are you saying you click and the 'page' opens in
>>>>>>>> edit mode? (I'm not familiar with Roam - maybe it only has one wysiwyg
>>>>>>>> mode
>>>>>>>> for direct edit?)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think Anne is referring to the "parallel" tab in tiddly blink. It
>>>>>>> needs a bit of work -- you have to type the *entire* tiddler
>>>>>>> address into the box, and then you only get a preview, not an editable
>>>>>>> version.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For my own version, I have forward/back buttons on each tiddler.
>>>>>>> Then I can use the standard search box to find the tiddler I want, and
>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>> immediately navigate back. But I suppose the long-term solution would
>>>>>>> be to
>>>>>>> upgrade the parallel search so that it doesn't demand you remember the
>>>>>>> precise title.
>>>>>>>
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