Hello Craig, (long post)

On Dec 4, 7:21 am, Craig in Calgary <[email protected]> wrote:
> Mario,
>
> Thank you very much. Good job. I'll be incorporating it shortly.
thx

> My next question is, "If the point of ToggleTiddlersBar is to
> facilitate printing the story, then wouldn't it be logical for someone
> to combine this behavior withhttp://www.TiddlyTools.com/#SnapshotPlugin
> and/orhttp://devpad.tiddlyspot.com/#PrintMacroand/ or 
> http://jackparke.googlepages.com/jtw.html#PublishMacroto facilitate a
> single-step PrintStoryPlugin, PrintStoryMacro, or PrintStory
> transclusion?"
I have already tested some of those macros. But what I want is, that
the native browser print should do, what I want. Have a look at a-pm
presentation manager at [1] http://a-pm.tiddlyspot.com . It includes
[2] http://a-pm.tiddlyspot.com/#a-pmPresentationTheme . At the end of
the StyleSheet section ist "@media print" which contains the CSS for
printing. Works with FireFox 3.5.5. I adjusted it for my needs /
taste. May be you need other elements to be printed or hidden.

> Now that I sit and think about this for a moment, I have a different
> approach to consider. For the purposes of printing the story (all open
> tiddlers),
I print like this:
  *Close all tiddlers
  *Click every Tiddler you want to print in reverse order
  *ToggleTiddlersBar: see [1] OptionsPanel: options>> TTBar (small)
  **Now all tiddlers should be displayed in the right order
  *File: Print preview in the browser

The long way, works for me. (see also next section)
ToDo: Insert a CSS printing <page break> above the itddler title. But
I don't know how - yet :)

>not just a single tiddler (that's why we have 
>http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#SnapshotPlugin), I still like a single
> click. But instead of a toggle that alternates the display and
> requires an additional step, how about opening a new window/tab and
> rendering the story with a PrintTemplate, PrintStyleSheet? We've got
> View... and Edit..., why not Print...? The CSS could be light enough

I think @media print shuld do it.

> for simple black-on-white hardcopy or rich enough to support all
> wikifications, including syntax highlighting for code content.
> Multiple CSS configurations could address print quality (e.g. draft,
> quality), paper size, etc. Since the output is sent to another window/
> tab, there is no need for me to show/hide the tabs.

My way generating the stroyline:
I am using [8] BreadcrumbsPlugin for saving a storyline. Read the a-pm
text [1]. You could also use Erics [7] StorySaverPlugin for saving and
for loading a storylilne.

With "Open story tiddler at the top of column" or "Open story tiddler
at the bottom" option which is included in the plugin you can define
the order of the loaded tiddlers.

In [1] a-pm manager the StorySaverPlugin may interfere with [3]
SinglePageModePlugin which has similar options. (Not tested yet).

I know, all of this is more then one klick :)) but, go on reading.

> One more little brainstorm before going to bed. Marry the Print...
> paradigm with http://www.math.ist.utl.pt/~psoares/addons.html#SlideShowPlugin
SlideShowPlugin is great work but it doesn't fit to my presentation
style.

> and/or 
> http://lewcid.googlepages.com/presentation_empty_full.html#Documentation
Great work too: I borrowed the NavigationMacro + idea there.

> or http://tw.lewcid.org/#TiddlerNotesPlugin and/or 
> http://tw.lewcid.org/#FootnotesPlugin
I am using [4] TiddlerNotesPlugin in a private TW which includes a
checkbox in every itddlers editor menue, done with [5]
ToggleTagPlugin  and [6] HideWhenPlugin. Notes are only displayed if
the tiddler is tagged.

But with this you already have a problem with the printing. Do you
want to print the note or not? I would make that with an additional
Theme, which only changes the @media print CSS. (not done yet)

I am not sure about FootnotesPlugin yet. Have to have a closer look :)

> and/or http://devpad.tiddlyspot.com/#SimpleCommentsPlugin and 
> http://devpad.tiddlyspot.com/#CommentsFormatterand
I use NotesPlugin. I don't want to use two types of plugins which do
almost the same thing. May be I'll replace NotesPlugin with nested
Comments Plugin from TiddlyWeb some day.

>some CSS magic and
> you've got a fairly robust alternative to MS PowerPoint - complete
> with included/excluded speaker notes, included/excluded images or
> image placeholders, landscape/portrait orientation, multiple paper
> sizes, etc.
Jup. Here we need a wizard.
Thanks for your ideas.

See the next mail for a "more than one click" but fast workaround for
printing.

Regards Mario

[1] http://a-pm.tiddlyspot.com
[2] http://a-pm.tiddlyspot.com/#a-pmPresentationTheme
[3] http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#SinglePageModePluginInfo
[4] http://tw.lewcid.org/#TiddlerNotesPlugin
[5] http://mptw.tiddlyspot.com/#ToggleTagPlugin
[6] http://mptw.tiddlyspot.com/#HideWhenPlugin
[7] http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#StorySaverPlugin
[8] http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#BreadcrumbsPlugin

On Dec 4, 7:21 am, Craig in Calgary <[email protected]> wrote:

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