I'm in strong (but always respectful) disagreement with some of these thoughts.
There is much momentum building on the concept of *bidirectional linking*. This is literally TW bread and butter... The flow of conversation around this topic is often like this: - Statement: "TW is hard for new users to get started with!" - Response: "But its very powerful!" - Statement: "TW needs to improve its documentation!" - Response: "But we have the Google group!" - Statement: "TW needs to have a more "full" version that users can get started with!" - Response: "Make your own edition!" - Statement: "TW should appeal to a wider audience!": - Response: "Why? And also, we don't know how many it already appeals too..." In my mind, many of these other competitors have a basic TW data model (flat files, bidirectional links, etc.) polished it up, and are now seeing much more momentum. Note: I am not a technological historian, and the point of who invented something first, who's copying who, etc is not my point and beyond the scope of this response/thread I think. I also do not want TW to eat the world. I am not a shareholder in the TW Corp, I don't want to see it grow for the sake of growth. I don't care what people used to organize their thoughts. They are free to use as many tools as suits their needs! My #1 goal is simple: If I, after years of using TW strongly recommend it to peers, family and friends to try TW, I don't want to immediately have to issue 100 caveats about documentation, Google Groups, plugins, and *saving* mechanisms. I want something reasonable a person can just immediately pick and up try for a week without having to go many extra miles to climb the steep learning curve so early! TW is very powerful, and does have a learning curve. But in my mind, there is no reason that it needs to be exposed so early. IMPORTANT: Everything I've said here is my own opinion, and I mean it humbly (as someone unable to make any serious code contributions to TW) and respectfully to all who contribute and work on TW and in this group. I also recognize that there are different philosophies about the trade off between ease of use and access to power in software. For example, just look at the wide world of Linux distributions - i.e., arch Linux vs manjaro Linux. I just don't see a reason why TW can't offer both - a polished, full, easy to *immediately* use getting started version, and a bare-bones power user version (empty) Diego On Thursday, May 28, 2020 at 8:37:36 AM UTC-5, Hubert wrote: > > I'm not sure if it's fair to compare TW with all these tools. What exactly > is lost if TW does not immediately appeal to a broad audience? > > TiddlyWiki is like a programming language, so some learning curve is part > of the experience. > > We can do amazing things with TW, both functionally and aesthetically, but > only after investing in "cognitive load": learning and practicing the > language. Much of the flexibility could be lost if more "features" were > forced upon the uninitiated "out of the box". > > An audience unwilling to learn is perhaps not TiddlyWiki's target > "market"? Maybe it's apples to oranges in the first place? > > Just some thoughts. > > On Thursday, 28 May 2020 12:39:43 UTC+1, Reet Pandher wrote: >> >> Is felix hiyashi in this group? >> >> On Thursday, May 28, 2020 at 5:07:18 PM UTC+5:30, Tony K wrote: >>> >>> I do use Obsidian and it is great >>> >>> however give me a faster version of TiddlyMap and I wld be happy, vis.js >>> is very slow >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 6:48:34 PM UTC+3, Diego Mesa wrote: >>>> >>>> Yet another Roam competitor, Obsidian: "Obsidian is a powerful >>>> knowledge base that works on top of a local folder of plain text Markdown >>>> files." >>>> >>>> Link: >>>> https://obsidian.md/ >>>> >>>> HN Comments: >>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23324598 >>>> >>>> Note the creator of obsidian is in the comments as well. >>>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/a3fd474e-8c28-4415-bd97-01da4fb4988c%40googlegroups.com.
