Alex
I hope you are collecting you "speeches" somewhere! :-) ... by the neatness
& footnotes I'm assuming you wrote this in a wiki? Yes?
Best wishes
Josiah
On Wednesday, 17 June 2020 22:53:44 UTC+2, Alex Hough wrote:
>
> Tony said something on the thread that Thomas started to share his TW on
> the subject of problem solving: "its molding clay for the mind"[1]. I think
> these type of user are the ones Birthe identifies as the "many that we know
> nothing about."
>
> Looking back into the history of of TiddlyWiki there have been some
> serious and high profile computer scientists such as Joe Armstrong. In his
> talkwith Jeremy "Intertwingling the Tiddlywiki with Erlang" [3] he starts
> by talking about Ted Nelson a pioneer of hypertext which Jeremy picks up on
> later in the talk.
>
> Steve Schneider has used TW to teach hyper-textual and interactive
> writing. DesignWriteStudio [4] is a freely available resource built using a
> TiddlyWiki to help explore hyper-text and interactive texts. An early
> example of his work using TiddlyWiki is "Companion to Web Campaigning Kirsten
> A. Foot & Steven M. Schneider MIT Press, 2006" [5]. There is a paper on
> TiddlyWiki being used as an interactive note pad to help teach science. [6]
>
> Joe Armstrong talks about "all in oneness" and from reading his GitHub
> hosted TW he likes the fact that TW is a Quine ("a curiosity of computer
> science", says Jeremy in the talk), putting it at the top of list [7].
>
> I imagine that "those who we know nothing about" may include those who
> have come to TW with previous interests in the fundamentals of hypertext
> writing, computer science and research in general like Joe and Steve.
>
> There's a long list of professional / expert developers with a passion for
> open source development. Eric Schulman is without doubt the longest
> standing example here. The developers coming and going over the years tend
> not to be those following the to the latest fads and trends, perhaps
> because TW is not a technology which lends itself to commercialisation in
> the same way as being a master of a particularly in demand framework. I
> think many developers don't get TW, but those who do seem to be those with
> a deep understanding and application of the elegance of design.
>
> There is at least three doctors: Saq, Rizwan, Abraham. A missionary (Dave
> Gifford) and a Mohhmaed chemical engineer. These people have become highly
> proficient TW developers. Saq talks about learning to code using TiddlyWiki
> in the recent Hangout [8]. There are some more hangouts planned --
> currently on hold (get well soon Jeremy!) -- but they are something
> TiddlyWiki fan like myself are quite excited about.
>
>
> I think the best way of finding out about the users of TW is probably to
> start using TW and explore the eco-system. Because TW is an off line
> technology without data collection by design, I think traditional methods
> of analysis might not work so well. The community is small enough to get to
> know regular contributors and the issues they try to solve.
>
>
>
> Alex
>
>
>
>
> [1] http://thomasteepe-archiv.de/
> [2]
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/tTUKcHOObE0/VsWxm65eBgAJ
> [3]
> https://www.softwaretalks.io/v/6705/joe-armstrong-and-jeremy-ruston-intertwingling-the-tiddlywiki-with-erlang-code-mesh-ldn-18
> [4] http://designwritestudio.com/
> [5]
> https://web.archive.org/web/20061103082226/http://mitpress.mit.edu/books/0262062585/WebCampaigningDigitalSupplement.html#%5B%5BWelcome%20to%20the%20Web%20Campaigning%20Digital%20Supplement%5D%5D
> [6]
> http://people.sunyit.edu/~krieseg/IDT590/Scrapbook/data/20111205115236/4-ithet-2006.pdf
> [7] https://joearms.github.io/#Index
> [8] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvnqgfvohfM
>
> On Wednesday, 17 June 2020 19:13:05 UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:
>>
>> How would we know? Maybe the people here guess some numbers, but in
>> reality TiddlyWiki is used by many that we know nothing about.
>>
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>
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