Hi Tony, The download option only makes sense if the user chooses single HTML file version, right? May be users - especially those coming from markdown based note taking applications - might want to keep their notes in separate plain text files.
Giving the download button and then explaining the choices would defeat this purpose. So if a user consciously choose the single HTML - that is when he/she should be guided how to download it and save it. On Wed, 24 Jun 2020, 11:19 TW Tones, <[email protected]> wrote: > Riz, > > Totally agree, I suppose I need to take the next step for playground and > standard editions despite it being raised an number of times. > > However If there is no download without selecting an option, how will it > look to a new user?. To me it is a big thing to hide something so essential > that was not before. > > Regards > Tony > > > On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 3:14:10 PM UTC+10, Riz wrote: >> >> > Single file HTML button should be at the top >> >> Noted. Will change. I am not up for keeping it open. The wizard is in >> place specifically for those people who need help. People should make >> informed decisions. Might be worthwhile to add download button to wizard >> intro though. I would take suggestions on how the text should be. >> >> Regarding standard edition I agree with the necessity of such an edition. >> However these require a entirely different and thorough discussion. What is >> a standard edition?. What plugins goes into a standard edition? How are >> users guided through the usage of a standard edition? Is there gonna be a >> wizard inside standard edition that will tell user what to do step by step? >> >> When a standard edition is formed and available under tiddlywiki.com >> domain, the GettingStarted Tiddler will be definitely revised to link to it >> in appropriate places. It doesn't exist currently unfortunately. >> >> Similar is the case with playground edition. There should exist one in >> the repo and under tiddlywiki.com domain. When they do, it will be >> linked. >> >> Sincerely, >> Riz >> >> On Wed, 24 Jun 2020, 10:28 TW Tones, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Riz, >>> >>> Thanks for your work here >>> >>> Some Quick points >>> >>> - Single file HTML button should be at the top, and possibly open to >>> start with. This is where new users will be, lets not force a choice when >>> they still do not know how to answer. >>> - Personally I think at least download empty should always be >>> visible above the choices as it will always be valid. >>> However as argued elsewhere it would be better to use a Standard >>> wiki with a little more than empty eg a few inclusions like contents, >>> display the more page control, home close all and a little more. >>> - I also believe once established a learn tiddlywiki and playground >>> editions be pointed to here. If people can experience it without >>> download/save of any other decisions I expect out adoption or conversion >>> rate to go up. >>> >>> Regards >>> TW Tones >>> >>> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 2:40:44 PM UTC+10, Riz wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> So I have uploaded the current draft of changes here: >>>> https://ibnishak.github.io/TiddlyWiki5/ >>>> >>>> Apart from changed suggested by Eric, the text is practically same. >>>> Some other major changes >>>> >>>> 1. The filters in Saver methods are done away with. As pointed out >>>> above, most options appear whatever options you choose. Wherever options >>>> are platform bound, it is mentioned clearly in the description. Otherwise >>>> it is subdivided to meaningful categories keeping in mind "What average >>>> users might want to see first". >>>> 2. Text in "Installing Tiddlywiki with Node.JS" is slightly modified. >>>> 3. Advice boxes CSS is updated. >>>> 4. Wizard as discussed above. >>>> >>>> I have not updated individual savers. I have my doubts regarding a few >>>> - HTA hack, Beaker, PHP saver. A few users in Reddit had complaints >>>> regarding instructions about Noteself being outdated. Someone more >>>> knowledgeable might want to look into these. Actual users of individual >>>> saver methods could eventually update the docs with detailed instructions >>>> to set up individual savers. >>>> >>>> Apart from general comments, I need specific feedback regarding the >>>> following. >>>> >>>> 1. In the wizard intro, there need be a comment mentioning that only >>>> one saver would work at a time. If you use GitHub saver, the local copy >>>> will not be updated. This seems to be a frequent source of confusion. >>>> 2. Right now in wizard the "Next" button appear only when next step >>>> matters - like when user selects No or when there is a subquestion - like >>>> which cloud service to use. Another option would be keeping the next button >>>> appear always and urging user to click it on choosing an option. It might >>>> involve animation- so could be costly wrt performance. >>>> 3. How about changing all advice boxes (Tips, Warning, Preamble) in the >>>> doc to the CSS given in the demo? 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