Saq,

I agree a generic solution is needed, I can imagine floats could be 
immediately used on the Murri plugin for multi screen tiddlywiki "desktops".

Before I comment on this design please drop the attached Draft design for 
new window buttons that do something similar, but uses new browser windows 
instead which is great for multi-screen desktops and they can be moved 
outside the browser tab. The View and edit buttons work, with view/edit 
templates active in windows, the code button looks wrong and is non 
operative.

As you have already suggested though as soon as you get a "window handling" 
feature, in this case popup handling, some thought has to be given to 
window management. You are suggesting snap and drag to side etc... 

A float this tiddler button like the new window button would be nice.

I would think that the following would be useful ultimately within the 
float tool

   - Close all
   - Minimise all (to a tray ) like current drafts.
   - Open, Close or minimise individual floats
   - Respond the a background colour on the tiddler since they are almost 
   post it notes

Other ideas may include allowing them to be brought forward or pushed 
backward. However I see value in the underlying features being deployed 
with more advanced features built independently to handle floating tiddlers.

   - Actually this is where an alternate story view could use a empty 
   background and all tiddlers are opened into a popup
   - A long kept in pre-release beta of stackable windows 

You can see from my open in new window solutions that the same window 
handling would be useful and recent discussion about closing such spawned 
windows also helps.

Speculation,

   - A set of window/popup tiddler management tools that could be used for 
   popups and new windows alike would be a useful tool that could be leverage 
   to do other tiddler window and story methods.
   - This would need further abstraction to find a way to treat floats and 
   external windows in a similar way. 
   - Bringing modals or modal like operations into a float where the User 
   may be forced to respond before they regain access to the rest of the wiki, 
   heading and subheading and close options may be a nice option.

Regards
Tony


On Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 6:29:55 AM UTC+10, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> So what's interesting is that the demo is actually a lot more generic. The 
> base component of the Floats demo is a <$float> widget that can be used to 
> make any tiddler draggable and resizable, along with a tm-float message to 
> easily create floats.
>
> What this identifies is the need for standardized re-usable components 
> that can be used to make draggable, resizable containers, which can then be 
> used to create UI's like mentat.
>
> Though if the desire were to replace the storyriver with such a UI I would 
> definitely look in the direction of a custom storyview.
>
> On Wednesday, July 22, 2020 at 10:04:22 PM UTC+2, Birthe C wrote:
>>
>> Joshua,
>>
>> Oh I hope you will refactor Mentat. It is wonderful.
>>
>> Saq,
>>
>> When I saw your floats, I also thought in Mentat direction but mostly of 
>> Volant. Tiddlers to be moved around and resized.
>>
>> J.D also had a go here: http://j.d.volantis.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>

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