Hello, I think this thread is really interesting since I've been looking for the optimal note-taking system for years. Only recently I came across "Zettelkasten" and I've also read Sönke Ahrens book. And I was using GTD (Getting Things Done) for years now without having read the book - also till recently (I really recommend it since it definitely goes beyond what you usually find on the Internet regarding GTD). I think the combination of Zettelkasten + GTD is the perfect one to satisfy lots of needs.
However, I'm struggling to implement and adopt in Tiddlywiki. I also use Tiddlywiki for some years and from time to time I've tried different things: 1) Bullet journaling <https://bulletjournal.com/> It didn't last forever since I had problems with dynamically growing lists (like todo lists for projects). Plus: You don't automatically have a backup when the notebook is gone. 2) ORG mode <https://orgmode.org/> This was the main reason why I've switched from VIM to Emacs/Spacemacs after 15 years. I think there are great ORG tools out there and also the available Android app (orgzly) is quite amazing. I still use it but meanwhile only for project planning stuff, calendar and appointments. ... but I always come back to TW coz of its simplicity. And it's really easy to actually publish your content as a single HTML or multiple ones. I mention this because everything I collect is meant to be public (nowadays everybody calls it digital garden). The problem I see with TW is the fact that it still is pain in the a** to actually use it on Android/iOS. If you have a look at orgzly <http://www.orgzly.com/> for example you'll recognize it's simplicity and user friendliness. I tend to take lots of notes using my smartphone. Creating tiddlers and writing content using Tiddloid still feels uncomfortable. That's why I've kind of "established" following workflow to take notes: 1) Whenever I read a book I always have my (paper) notebook and a pen to make notes 2) After finishing the book I digitize my notes using a mind mapping tool (I recommend miMind <http://mimind.cryptobees.com/>) since it allows me to create notes (as childs or siblings) very quickly. 3) I export the mind map to OPML 4) I convert the OPML to markdown (using pandoc <https://pandoc.org/>) 5) I import the markdown content to TW 6) I start looking for related content I know this is might not be suitable for everyone but it works for and that for different reasons: 1) I can create notes very easily and quickly using the mind map tool 2) I can export the content to markdown (or any outline format) 3) I don't spend that much time creating tiddlers and writing the content using Tiddloid And this is just the note-taking process. As for the content I have following structure: a) a Zettelkasten like TW <http://brainfck.org/> containing definitions, ideas from different sources b) a bibliography TW <http://brainfck.org/bib.html> containing books summaries, quotes, and a collection of interesting (web) articles. I would very happy to know more about your note-taking process (especially using TW) and how you actually structure your content you have notes for. Kind regards, Victor On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 4:52:04 PM UTC+2 bimlas wrote: > I apologize for my misunderstanding, but I am afraid that my poor language > skills will prevent me from understanding exactly what you are saying. > > BTC, > > *People have different needs and thoughts before they put together plugins > and the wiki will change with time and experience. Thoughts about how it > could be even better and what might be lacking to get the results they > wished for. Explaining all that and other material they might have been > inspired from. Then the Tutorial how it was put together.* > > For example, if there is a plugin that makes it easy to display tag > intersections, we should start by showing the reader how to use tags and > why it’s important to find tag intersections? So instead of categorizing > plugins by function, do we group them by usage? > > I think that's a good idea. If we take the TiddlyWiki documentation as an > example, the count filter operator and CountWidget could be grouped > together because we use it for something similar even though their > implementation is different. > > *Inspiration is always good - but I have a feeling that there is also some > kind of fashion making special NAMES interesting at the same time. Not > necessarily because they will turn out to be evergreens in note taking.* > > If I understand correctly, should we start from the common principles > (link-based navigation) and mention the main names by the way that these > principles can be found in the literature with such a name? So instead of > starting to explain Zettelkasten specifically, will we explain the > link-based note taking method and in the end mention that this principle is > implemented by Zettelkasten, among others? > > *I am not sure that even the most perfect of note taking app in theori > would suite everyone.* > > This is what I like best about TiddlyWiki, because if my habit changes in > the meantime, I don’t have to look for another solution (e.g. Dynalist, > Roam Research, Notion) because I can most likely get the job I want > on TiddlyWiki, so the software can be tailored to my needs. > > TiddlyTweeter, > > *Especially the different outcomes of commitment to specific linking > strategies (rather than product names). I think that would be invaluable. > Not just for TW, but the net in general. There is a lot of talk ... Roam or > whatnot, as if it was new. It IS NOT. Its been gone over many times > already. What we really need to help users is improve understanding of what > the RESULTS look like in different approaches.* > > If I understand correctly, could we show what is the meaning of outline > and give example methods for this + could we mention Streams plugin as an > implementation? > > The problem is that I don’t see much difference between link-based > methods: basically, the goal of each is to keep the relevant notes densely > linked. These principles can be described, but I cannot imagine a > comparative description. Perhaps the individual parts could be compared, > e.g. "Spoken Names vs. Unique IDs". > > I haven’t read the terms you’ve mentioned before after that, so if I get > to know them too, maybe I’ll understand what you’re saying better. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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