Hi Jan,

Long time Moodle and TW5 fan here :) 

Years ago, several here many had joined me in a push to add the TinCan API 
LMS standard to TW5 and I think your vision here and mine are similar in 
how TW5 could be used. What we were working on could / should work well 
with any stanard based LMS that supports SCORM comliance (Moodle amoung 
them). For me, my staff and I were in a blended learning environment so the 
goal was the students would have the materials to work with at home just as 
they would in class on Moodle and the TinCan API (which is a revision of 
the SCORM standard) when back in class could refresh those with new 
materials after importing the scorm data from the previous period. This 
would allow the teachers to track progress of the students work with those 
materals (time on task, simple self quizes, etc). We made a lot of headway 
and had not only many here from our community but also many other 
interested educators on board even a few from ADL which develops the SCORM 
standard. The API had a javascript implementation but there was an issue of 
using it with how the TW core was designed at that time. Regretfully 
shortly after we started all this a brain tumor was discovered and I ended 
up having 2 surgeries and am still trying to recover, no longer teaching, 
on full diability due to brain damage, and my memory is so fuzzy I am doing 
really well to remember any of this! I can only hope it makes sense LOL and 
that is probably only because it was so important to me then and would have 
been a huge help to all of us. I now use TW5 mainly as a journal to help me 
in my recovery. 

Anyway, Jeremy was very involved in the effort and was working to provide 
support needed from the TW5 core for the API implementation. How far he got 
toward that (or others here with other solutions) I am not sure. I would 
love to see that goal fullfilled for all those involved and after having 
made such a big noise about it all. Hopefully Jeremy can shed some light on 
the possibility of doing it now but affraid other than just letting you 
know this I can't be of much more help. 

As far as the effectivness of moodle over some of the other solutions 
mentioned here I have no idea (especially now) but to me then one of the 
bigger advantages of Moodle over the other LMS programs at that time was it 
ease in importing the digital materials and tests provided from the 
publishers directly into the system largly due to the LMS standards Moodle 
supports. I would not advocate using TW5 for test evaluaions but in 
tracking student progress and providing them resources and identifying 
learning oppurtuniies and weaknesses it would be a game changer. Or at 
least would have been back then that was at least 5-6 years ago so I have 
no idea what may be out there now.

Hope this is helpfull and Jeremy is following.
On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 9:35:57 AM UTC-5 Ste wrote:

> I think the overriding factor for moodle choice is it's free! But Google 
> classroom is so much better!!!! 
> Get yourself a Pearltrees account (free one available you can n work as 
> teams in it... and has the advantage that its yours! Here's mine 
> pearltrees.com/stephenteacher). Upload your docs and collect your 
> bookmarks to build up your resources. Iframe embed that into your moodle 
> through a label. It looks slick. Look at my moodle you can say... People 
> will say ooohhh... It Is 'in the moodle' but means you don't have to 
> wrestle with the moodle apart from setting assignments which isn't too 
> painful... Though I did give up trying to set up a self marking maths 
> questions... (it's in there!) 
> Iframe embed permalinks from your tidliwikis. This will save you much 
> stress. 
> Another thing I used to do was host assignment docs etc. in drop box and 
> link to them from the moodle. I had a sycronisation program from 
> portableapps.com (quietly install without bothering the nice IT dept) 
> which copied folders from my work cloud drive to my hard drive every hour 
> and the folder it copied into was my Dropbox folder so any updates to 
> assignments... Spelling correction... Date change.. Clarification.. would 
> be live to the students in at most an hour. 
>
> So use the moodle but drive your content in it from external sources. 
> The label is your friend :)
> On Thursday, 1 October 2020 at 13:39:35 UTC+1 Jan wrote:
>
>> Hi Steve,
>> I have to admit what you say is ture... compared to TW moodle is 
>> complicated and clumpsy. 
>> Preparing a course for the next semester is a drag.
>> But it alllows you to organize and engage students into tasks and collect 
>> their results in a very concise way.  I guess that is why the school-board 
>> took this choice.
>> And for me as for most of those who work in institutions who use moodles 
>> it would not be the smartes carreer-option to disdain such a choice.
>>
>> Therefore: The idea is not to switch to moodle but to be able to feed the 
>> moodle from TW and to save back courses to TW...
>>
>> Best wishes Jan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 01.10.2020 um 11:57 schrieb Ste:
>>
>> Unless you have a cracking IT dept that has customised and tweaked the 
>> moodle to make it nice my general advice would be.. Don't use the moodle.  
>> Moodle is clunky and creaky and updating resources on it is a faff. 
>> I tended to work round the moodle so if you add a label and press the <> 
>> button you can inject html into it 
>> I embedded my Pearltrees.com collections of resources and my wiki 
>> straight into the moodle. 
>> That way I could update both.. The students would see any changes 
>> instantly / after a refresh and I didn't have to interact with the moodle 
>> ever again..... 
>>
>> Ste
>>
>> On Thursday, 1 October 2020 at 10:45:06 UTC+1 Jan wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Community, 
>>> Our school-board has just adopted a moodle-based 
>>> LearningManagementSystem. 
>>> Though I am a convinced TiddlyWikian I will use it because it brings 
>>> advantages in learning-scenarios. 
>>> To name these advantages 
>>> -Authentification 
>>> -GroupManagement 
>>> -Activities like H5P, 
>>> -Analytics 
>>>
>>> ...of course als TW has great advantages 
>>> - Much faster editing and developping halfbaked thoughts to public 
>>> texts. 
>>> - Searching, combining... 
>>> - Beauty ;-) 
>>> - the priceless advantage of independence and the guarantee to be able 
>>> to take your notes and texts with you in a form that is readable 
>>> deployable anywhere else and for decades... 
>>> (I already lost months of work in moodle where either I or the LMS quit 
>>> the institution ) 
>>>
>>> My desire would be to merge the advantages. 
>>>
>>> One thing that would be great would be a tool to exchange content. For 
>>> example it would have helped me a lot if there had been an 
>>> export-to-TW-tool to export the courses at the university. 
>>> One the other hand I would love to prepare a Moodle-Course in TW 
>>> (collect, sort and combine ideas and content) 
>>>
>>> It seems there has been a tool for this back in 2007 for TW Classic and 
>>> an old version of moodle ( http://moodle.tiddlyspot.com/ ) It would be 
>>> great to relaunch this project for the new versions. 
>>>
>>> What are your Ideas? 
>>> Has anyone here already taken a look on moodle-programming and knows 
>>> how this could be achieved? 
>>>
>>> Best whishes Jan 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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