Hi Ed, Hi everybody!
thanks for your email which made perfect sense and made me dive further
into learning systems...that is why it took me some time to reply.
I had to understand the difference between Tin-Can-Api , SCORM and then
find out what role moodle plays there. So here is a very short summary
of what I figured out:
As I understand, TinCan which has since been renamed to xAPI adds a
feedback channel to SCORM to see what learners are doing with your input.
Moodle which uses the SCORM-format seems to have focussed on a similar
field recently by adding learning-analytics which is quite a hot topic
in that community at the moment...but without using xAPI. Interpreting
the density of information I found, moodle seems to have evolved much
faster than xAPI.
We agree on the point that moodle has abilitys that TW is not build
for. The main difference is the user management which enables theachers
to let students upload media and perform tests.
My Idea would be that TW5 would be the ideal portfolio to do the
research for a course for university-teachers (Alberto Molina's Concept
has prooved this a long time ago...), and for students to collect the
information they judge valuable - and to take it with them into the
post-academic life where their moodle-accounts have expired in a more
sophisticated form than .pdf.
So I think having a converter (or conversion workflow) would be very
good ... and doable for after all it is just parsing. But I am not shure
on which side it should be placed. In this community it seems to be more
likely to find wizard capable of creating and digesting the xml-based
export-format of moodle. My skills being a little less superficial in
php than in js I already had a look at how to create a moodle-plugin to
perform this...but was a little intimidated by the hard standarts and
the lack of such a wonderfull community like this here.
I think also Steves concept of usig TW parallely and referencing between
them is an approach. My first idea was to use Moodle only as a sort of
mailbox linking the "activities" from an informative TW-based
coursebook. I was a little disappointed the URLs of the activities seem
to change randomly if you are doing the course a second time... I am
still wondering what a good workflow might be.
So please add your ideas...
Best wishes Jan
Am 02.10.2020 um 19:20 schrieb Ed Dixon:
Hi Jan,
Long time Moodle and TW5 fan here :)
Years ago, several here many had joined me in a push to add the TinCan
API LMS standard to TW5 and I think your vision here and mine are
similar in how TW5 could be used. What we were working on could /
should work well with any stanard based LMS that supports SCORM
comliance (Moodle amoung them). For me, my staff and I were in a
blended learning environment so the goal was the students would have
the materials to work with at home just as they would in class on
Moodle and the TinCan API (which is a revision of the SCORM standard)
when back in class could refresh those with new materials after
importing the scorm data from the previous period. This would allow
the teachers to track progress of the students work with those
materals (time on task, simple self quizes, etc). We made a lot of
headway and had not only many here from our community but also many
other interested educators on board even a few from ADL which develops
the SCORM standard. The API had a javascript implementation but there
was an issue of using it with how the TW core was designed at that
time. Regretfully shortly after we started all this a brain tumor was
discovered and I ended up having 2 surgeries and am still trying to
recover, no longer teaching, on full diability due to brain damage,
and my memory is so fuzzy I am doing really well to remember any of
this! I can only hope it makes sense LOL and that is probably only
because it was so important to me then and would have been a huge help
to all of us. I now use TW5 mainly as a journal to help me in my
recovery.
Anyway, Jeremy was very involved in the effort and was working to
provide support needed from the TW5 core for the API implementation.
How far he got toward that (or others here with other solutions) I am
not sure. I would love to see that goal fullfilled for all those
involved and after having made such a big noise about it all.
Hopefully Jeremy can shed some light on the possibility of doing it
now but affraid other than just letting you know this I can't be of
much more help.
As far as the effectivness of moodle over some of the other solutions
mentioned here I have no idea (especially now) but to me then one of
the bigger advantages of Moodle over the other LMS programs at that
time was it ease in importing the digital materials and tests provided
from the publishers directly into the system largly due to the LMS
standards Moodle supports. I would not advocate using TW5 for test
evaluaions but in tracking student progress and providing them
resources and identifying learning oppurtuniies and weaknesses it
would be a game changer. Or at least would have been back then that
was at least 5-6 years ago so I have no idea what may be out there now.
Hope this is helpfull and Jeremy is following.
On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 9:35:57 AM UTC-5 Ste wrote:
I think the overriding factor for moodle choice is it's free! But
Google classroom is so much better!!!!
Get yourself a Pearltrees account (free one available you can n
work as teams in it... and has the advantage that its yours!
Here's mine pearltrees.com/stephenteacher
<http://pearltrees.com/stephenteacher>). Upload your docs and
collect your bookmarks to build up your resources. Iframe embed
that into your moodle through a label. It looks slick. Look at my
moodle you can say... People will say ooohhh... It Is 'in the
moodle' but means you don't have to wrestle with the moodle apart
from setting assignments which isn't too painful... Though I did
give up trying to set up a self marking maths questions... (it's
in there!)
Iframe embed permalinks from your tidliwikis. This will save you
much stress.
Another thing I used to do was host assignment docs etc. in drop
box and link to them from the moodle. I had a sycronisation
program from portableapps.com <http://portableapps.com> (quietly
install without bothering the nice IT dept) which copied folders
from my work cloud drive to my hard drive every hour and the
folder it copied into was my Dropbox folder so any updates to
assignments... Spelling correction... Date change..
Clarification.. would be live to the students in at most an hour.
So use the moodle but drive your content in it from external sources.
The label is your friend :)
On Thursday, 1 October 2020 at 13:39:35 UTC+1 Jan wrote:
Hi Steve,
I have to admit what you say is ture... compared to TW moodle
is complicated and clumpsy.
Preparing a course for the next semester is a drag.
But it alllows you to organize and engage students into tasks
and collect their results in a very concise way. I guess that
is why the school-board took this choice.
And for me as for most of those who work in institutions who
use moodles it would not be the smartes carreer-option to
disdain such a choice.
Therefore: The idea is not to switch to moodle but to be able
to feed the moodle from TW and to save back courses to TW...
Best wishes Jan
Am 01.10.2020 um 11:57 schrieb Ste:
Unless you have a cracking IT dept that has customised and
tweaked the moodle to make it nice my general advice would
be.. Don't use the moodle.
Moodle is clunky and creaky and updating resources on it is a
faff.
I tended to work round the moodle so if you add a label and
press the <> button you can inject html into it
I embedded my Pearltrees.com collections of resources and my
wiki straight into the moodle.
That way I could update both.. The students would see any
changes instantly / after a refresh and I didn't have to
interact with the moodle ever again.....
Ste
On Thursday, 1 October 2020 at 10:45:06 UTC+1 Jan wrote:
Hello Community,
Our school-board has just adopted a moodle-based
LearningManagementSystem.
Though I am a convinced TiddlyWikian I will use it
because it brings
advantages in learning-scenarios.
To name these advantages
-Authentification
-GroupManagement
-Activities like H5P,
-Analytics
...of course als TW has great advantages
- Much faster editing and developping halfbaked thoughts
to public texts.
- Searching, combining...
- Beauty ;-)
- the priceless advantage of independence and the
guarantee to be able
to take your notes and texts with you in a form that is
readable
deployable anywhere else and for decades...
(I already lost months of work in moodle where either I
or the LMS quit
the institution )
My desire would be to merge the advantages.
One thing that would be great would be a tool to exchange
content. For
example it would have helped me a lot if there had been an
export-to-TW-tool to export the courses at the university.
One the other hand I would love to prepare a
Moodle-Course in TW
(collect, sort and combine ideas and content)
It seems there has been a tool for this back in 2007 for
TW Classic and
an old version of moodle ( http://moodle.tiddlyspot.com/
) It would be
great to relaunch this project for the new versions.
What are your Ideas?
Has anyone here already taken a look on
moodle-programming and knows
how this could be achieved?
Best whishes Jan
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