Springer,
Some thoughts for you;
- When you paste text onto tiddlywiki the import mechaisium will create
an "untitled n" tiddler. Go ahead and import it.
- You can create a view template on tiddlers beginning untitled that
tests the content of the text field for various conditions.
- I have one that tests if text begins with http:// or https://
meaning its a link, and a button appears to name and create a link
tiddler.
It uses my own designed logic.
- You can do similar and detect say @ as the first character and offer
to create a citation tiddler.
- The detail is in parsing and reformatting the citation into fields
etc... which I / we can help you with.
- Yes this could be automated further with the ideas expressed in this
thread, but this approach would be a good start.
- Ideally one day it will be easy to import and transform and common
text formats of any type into a tiddler.
Regards
Tone
On Saturday, 12 December 2020 at 11:45:33 UTC+11 springer wrote:
> I just discovered this thread, while trying to understand related issues.
>
> My workflow includes, for example, coming a cross a citation in google
> scholar, which I can display in bibtex format like so:
>
> @book{crary2016inside,
> title={Inside ethics},
> author={Crary, Alice},
> year={2016},
> publisher={Harvard University Press}
> }
>
> I was hoping that dragging that text into Tiddlywiki would auto-populate
> the fields. Instead, I get an ordinary tiddler with a text field that looks
> exactly like the above block.
>
> What works: issuing a terminal command like pbpaste > crary.bib
> ... which yields a .bib file ... which I can then drag into tw5 (for
> import and recognition via bibtex plugin), but this is terribly roundabout.
>
> Why not be able to drag and drop the contents of a field-parsable string
> (onto a special bibtex or json drop area if need be) and have tiddlywiki
> parse directly, populating fields if field patterns are present?
>
> (Sorry that this question is framed with bibtex records in mind; but
> presumably the issues are similar for any json-formatted strings on the
> clipboard?)
>
> -Springer
> On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 7:58:27 PM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>> In a similar vein for creating tiddlers from found text the OT and your
>> desire for "loaded" new tiddlers, One idea I had was to create a tab in the
>> side bar with a drop zone. Text dropped there would be imported silently
>> and create a tiddler according to a set of standards and fields etc. A
>> Second tab dropzone, could import the text another way. This method would
>> do well to have the below templates idea.
>>
>> - David's point 1. Use the viewTemplate for untitled tiddlers and add
>> this feature there (as in my last post)
>>
>> Templates idea
>>
>> TiddlyWiki is repeat with the concept of templates, as a result, I think
>> perhaps we have somewhat neglected the use of tiddler templates for
>> creating tiddlers. This should have a core representation so extra bespoke
>> work is not required for such a fundamental function.
>>
>> I have developed a number of methods that can help meet the ideas in your
>> other points, The key is however having defined some template tiddlers that
>> are used to create different kinds of tiddlers. Such templates can have
>> what ever fields and values you want and one trick is to also include
>> fields for example with an underscore name eg: _tags value" "tagname1
>> tagname2", underscore fields are used to populate the no underscore field
>> of the same name eg: tags value" "tagname1 tagname2" when creating the new
>> tiddler from the template.
>>
>> Fields can only contain lowercase letters, digits and the characters
>> underscore (_), hyphen (-) and period (.) this this are the three
>> punctuation prefixes available.
>> So I suggest;
>>
>> - _fieldname results a in fieldname being created with the value in
>> _fieldname used (if any).
>> - One special case would be _source-template which is recorded in
>> the new tiddler
>> - another _object-name eg "task" when the template is used to
>> create a task
>> - .fieldname If the current tiddler has fieldname use the "current
>> tiddlers fieldname" to set the value "a context field"
>> - -fieldname could potentially use a macro or transclusion of a
>> similar name as fieldname to populate the new field.
>> - All other fields are cloned into the new tiddler.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 11 November 2020 00:19:54 UTC+11, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> I decided to delete and rewrite my post since it was somewhat
>>> incomprehensible:
>>>
>>> I have an idea that if implemented in TiddlyWiki, would solve si's
>>> problem, and would also solve a problem of my own: my problem is that
>>> sometimes I want any tiddler generated by creating a wikilink then clicking
>>> on the link, to have certain fields and data.
>>>
>>> My idea is this:
>>>
>>> 1. Have a separate tab in the control panel with the "Title for new
>>> tiddlers" and "Tags for new tiddlers"from the basics tab, but with a new
>>> element: "Fields for new tiddlers", which could look just like it does at
>>> the bottom of edit mode in all tiddlers. That way, si could set the fields
>>> (and add text to them if desired) so that when he pastes the text, the
>>> tiddler generated would have the fields and data added. Let's call this tab
>>> $:/core/ui/ControlPanel/NewTiddlerConfig
>>>
>>> 2. The other aspect of my idea is that
>>> $:/core/ui/ControlPanel/NewTiddlerConfig could be tagged, say,
>>> $:/tags/NewTiddlerConfig. And only the tiddler that has this tag will
>>> modify the creation of new tiddlers. So users could clone this tiddler and
>>> have a number of custom "new tiddler config" tabs - one for images, one for
>>> reading notes, one for contacts, etc, and use a switcher to tag the one
>>> they want to work on at a given time.
>>>
>>> 3. Why is this helpful? Currently the only way to create tiddlers with
>>> preset fields is to create a custom new tiddler button for the sidebar.
>>> There are drawbacks:
>>> a) You have to choose an icon to make it distinct from the others.
>>> b) If none of the standard icons fit, you need to create an icon and add
>>> it to a tiddler.
>>> c) Sometimes you want to create tiddlers in other ways: using newhere,
>>> or creating a link and clicking on it, but the fields and data aren't added
>>> to the tiddler by those methods.
>>>
>>> 4. What would this look like for the end user process? An example:
>>>
>>> Say I have already created custom "New tiddler config" tiddlers.
>>> a) One is for reading notes. It has a bibliographic data field and a
>>> page number field. I use some sort of switcher to untag the the core "new
>>> tiddler config" tiddler, and tag this one. I add the bib data for the
>>> source I am going to read. Then every note I create has that data, and all
>>> I need to do is add the page number.
>>> b) Then say I am going to work on adding images. I use the switcher to
>>> choose the "new tiddler config" tiddler I created for images. The text
>>> field is [img width="90%" [ ]], the tag is image and maybe there is some
>>> other field. I create images for a while and just paste the image location.
>>> c) Then I want to add contacts for a while. I use the switcher to choose
>>> my contact template. I can create my contact tiddler, tags and fields
>>> included, by typing a link to "Jeremy Ruston" and clicking on it, then just
>>> fill in the fields.
>>> d) When I am done, I use the switcher to tag the core new tiddler config
>>> tiddler so new tiddlers are blank again.
>>>
>>> Okay, I really need to get my class ready. Burst of inspiration over. I
>>> hope this is doable and that what I wrote inspires someone more
>>> knowledgable than me who could actually design this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 5:08:24 AM UTC-6 si wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Jeremy thanks for the response. I was specifically hoping to be able
>>>> to do it with something like $action-createtiddler so that I could
>>>> auto-populate the new tiddler with whatever fields and tags I need.
>>>>
>>>> My specific use case is that when I'm reading a PDF I usually create a
>>>> tiddler to represent the book. All my book tiddlers have a button for
>>>> creating a tiddler to store quotes from the book, tagged with the book +
>>>> metadata fields. Currently I just copy the text in manually, which is
>>>> fine,
>>>> I just wondered if there was a way I could speed up this process and have
>>>> it all happen with one button press.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, 10 November 2020 07:33:51 UTC, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On a device with a keyboard you can click on TiddlyWiki's page
>>>>> background and then use the keyboard shortcut for "paste". The $:/Import
>>>>> dialogue should open with the pasted item as a tiddler.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best wishes
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeremy.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jeremy Ruston
>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>> https://jermolene.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9 Nov 2020, at 21:17, si <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Say you have copied a paragraph of text and it is stored in your
>>>>> clipboard.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a way to create a button in TiddlyWiki that will create a new
>>>>> tiddler whose "text" field is populated with whatever was stored in your
>>>>> clipboard?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not expecting the answer to be yes but I thought I'd ask just in
>>>>> case. Thanks in advance for your help.
>>>>>
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