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On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 7:27:05 PM UTC-6 HP wrote:

> Hi, I have the same problem here. Could someone provide a way to remove 
> Stroll? Thanks.
>
> On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 10:18:26 PM UTC+1 [email protected] 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> A different approach to also consider :) 
>>
>> https://joearms.github.io/#2018-12-26%20Fun%20with%20the%20TiddlyWiki
>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 9:27:00 PM UTC+2 ludwa6 wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the pointer, @Zak, to that 'FieldMangler Widget'  -just what 
>>> i needed to solve the problem (sorta :-/
>>>
>>> By adding this widget to the script on both ToDo and Completed tiddlers, 
>>> i'm now able to invoke "tm-remove-tag" and "tm-add-tag" commands 
>>> (respectively) on those two functional tiddlers, such that i can make the 
>>> object tiddler either appear or disappear on the ToDo list in Contents tab 
>>> of my instance.
>>>
>>> Only problem is: i had to add a button (the thing to which 'FieldManager 
>>> Widget' must be attached, AFAICT from the docs 
>>> <https://tiddlywiki.com/static/WidgetMessage%253A%2520tm-remove-tag.html>) 
>>> after the checkbox widget on those two functional tiddlers -a 'plus' button 
>>> on ToDo tiddler and a 'trashcan' button on Completed tiddler- to enable 
>>> execution of the function, as you can see on the attached image.  If there 
>>> be some way to execute that "tm-remove-tag" command from the checkbox 
>>> widget itself, that would be a nice refinement!    /walt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 6:10:07 PM UTC [email protected] 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> > try my hand a bit of scripting
>>>> That's good to hear - just stick with it and you will be amazed what 
>>>> /you/ can do :) 
>>>>
>>>> For reference the developer docs are usually a good place to start (if 
>>>> you haven't already) [1]. 
>>>>
>>>> From a very quick check, maybe you can try having a look at [2][3] 
>>>> which references "tm-remove-tag", as it looks like in your code snippet 
>>>> you 
>>>> are not taking any action in your checkbox code to remove the todo tag.
>>>>
>>>> Please keep in mind that I am brand new to TiddlyWiki and have zero 
>>>> TiddlyWiki coding experience :) [lots of other coding experience though] 
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://tiddlywiki.com/dev/
>>>> [2] https://tiddlywiki.com/static/FieldManglerWidget.html
>>>> [3] https://tiddlywiki.com/static/Messages.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > best survival strategy in these waters is to
>>>>
>>>> yeah, sounds like a reasonable strategy :)
>>>>
>>>> Something else to maybe also keep in mind is that unless you really 
>>>> need something in a new release, it is usually much more practical/safer 
>>>> to 
>>>> run a version/couple of versions behind the latest version. There is a 
>>>> much 
>>>> higher likelihood that by the time that you then upgrade to the next 
>>>> version, most of the issues that you might run into would already have 
>>>> been 
>>>> solved/worked out.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 12:08:58 PM UTC+2 ludwa6 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, @Zak -your reply has inspired me to (a) be patient (am doing 
>>>>> fine w/ v5.1.22 of TW + Stroll, in fact) and (b) to try my hand a bit of 
>>>>> scripting, per message just posted about my "Task Tracker scripting 
>>>>> challenge <https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/tiddlywiki/c/1GLZFOgtHKQ>."
>>>>>
>>>>> Moreover: following your link to the Stroll Help page 
>>>>> <https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html#Help%20%2F%20Acknowledgments>, 
>>>>> i stumbled upon the TiddlyWiki toolmap 
>>>>> <https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM> that @Dave Gifford 
>>>>> has somehow managed to compile.  I cannot imagine the work involved in 
>>>>> compiling such a list, let alone keeping it current... So i now see how 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> bigger issue here of how to manage plugin dependencies is a hairy one 
>>>>> indeed.  Why: the Task Management category (the problem space i am 
>>>>> currently exploring) alone has some 27 solutions linked (!), and if one 
>>>>> were to install any number of these plugins -what the TW product 
>>>>> architecture makes it so easy to do- i can well imagine how easy it would 
>>>>> be to fall into the hellhole of cascading dependency failures.
>>>>>
>>>>> So: i am ever-more convinced now that my best survival strategy in 
>>>>> these waters is to: (1) keep my complement of installed plugins to the 
>>>>> absolute minimum of things i really can't live without; and (2) learn as 
>>>>> much as i can about what's under the hood of those, in case i am ever 
>>>>> having to patch up some leak on my own, should ever come to that (i sure 
>>>>> hope not, because i've been down that road of my own making a few times 
>>>>> in 
>>>>> past, and i've got the scars to prove it!)
>>>>>
>>>>> /walt
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 8:26:56 PM UTC [email protected] 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> > So i gotta ask, am curious: which path have you taken?
>>>>>> I am currently living with it until it's fixed. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >  i do wish i had the coding chops to fix the problem
>>>>>> Don't think it would be too hard to track down the problem. 
>>>>>> Especially because of the TiddlyWiki approach, i.e. it is only html + 
>>>>>> javascript. And your browser already has some powerful debugging tools 
>>>>>> built in :) 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > how are these Plugin dependencies to be managed?  
>>>>>> I suppose it comes down to the individual author(s) of a particular 
>>>>>> plugin. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some plugins follow a more "traditional" flow. It has a public source 
>>>>>> code repo (github/gitlab/etc.), issue tracker, etc. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Other plugins don't have their code in a publicly accessible place 
>>>>>> (e.g. private github repo/file system/google drive/etc.) and so there 
>>>>>> isn't 
>>>>>> really a traditional issue tracker available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Stroll support page [1] indicates it falls in the second category 
>>>>>> and that simply posting issues to this group is good enough. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]: 
>>>>>> https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html#Help%20%2F%20Acknowledgments
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 6:50:07 PM UTC+2 ludwa6 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks, @z... for validating the issue.  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So i gotta ask, am curious: which path have you taken? roll back to 
>>>>>>> earlier version of TW, or live w/o Stroll until it's fixed?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This raised for me a related issue -that is, more generally 
>>>>>>> speaking: how are these Plugin dependencies to be managed?  Not to 
>>>>>>> apply 
>>>>>>> any pressure to FOSS developers who have given so much to the commons 
>>>>>>> already (esp @jeremy & @david gifford -you guys rock!), i do wish i had 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> coding chops to fix the problem, but alas... All i can do is post a 
>>>>>>> message 
>>>>>>> here in the gGroup and wait, until... What, i wonder?  Maybe i'll be 
>>>>>>> lucky 
>>>>>>> and catch notice of a fix, if/when it flows thru this channel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or better: is there an issue tracker somewhere, for these issues to 
>>>>>>> be flagged and worked-on until they get solved?  Am always happy to 
>>>>>>> participate in this process as a tester, when it comes to software as 
>>>>>>> important to me as TW + Stroll is!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /walt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 3:59:56 PM UTC [email protected] 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @ludwa6 - same issue here so don't think you are missing anything.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 7:33:24 PM UTC+2 ludwa6 wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As reported some weeks ago 
>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/dZmp1gQivJI/m/CHKsGbMQAQAJ>,
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> when i upgraded TW to version 5.1.23, certain features -both Close 
>>>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>>>> Delete buttons in the edit screen- stopped working;  this was 
>>>>>>>>> purported to 
>>>>>>>>> be related to some code in the Stroll plugin that would need to be 
>>>>>>>>> updated.  
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile: my workflow being more dependent on Stroll than new 
>>>>>>>>> features of TW v5.1.23, i've rolled my TW instance back to v5.1.22... 
>>>>>>>>> Which 
>>>>>>>>> remains my working version, as nothing seems to have changed in 
>>>>>>>>> Stroll 
>>>>>>>>> code, unless i am missing something. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now nearly a month on, i am wondering: Am i in fact missing 
>>>>>>>>> something?  I don't hear of other in this community having any such 
>>>>>>>>> problems, so i wonder if this might in fact be a problem on my end.  
>>>>>>>>> Am 
>>>>>>>>> using TiddlyDesktop 0.0.13 (13) to manage my working index.html file, 
>>>>>>>>> in 
>>>>>>>>> case that matters.  Would love to hear any ideas about how to get 
>>>>>>>>> around 
>>>>>>>>> this problem!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

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