W00t! It works! Created a new tiddler, generated stable permalink from Charlie's UID solution -confirmed valid- then retitled & Relinked that tiddler, reloaded page in another browser w/ that same URL... And it landed on that same tiddler w/ the new title!
Thanks for the pointer, Saq -big thanks also to "flibbles" (Cameron?) for the amazing Relink plugin... And to you of course Charlie, for this brilliant solution to a long-standing problem. Bravo! /walt On Sunday, May 9, 2021 at 9:48:35 AM UTC+1 [email protected] wrote: > Suggest updating Relink to the latest version if you have not already done > so. > > On Sunday, May 9, 2021 at 9:33:33 AM UTC+2 ludwa6 wrote: > >> OK Charlie: can't say as i understand much of this, but the fact that >> you've been able to replicate that JavaScript error - saving to your local >> downloaded instance of mine (as you lack edit perms on the hosted instance) >> i presume- leads me to believe that it's not a Tiddlyhost thing, but rather >> something else. Does this mean that Relink plugin doesn't like the fact of >> this new UID field, i wonder? If so, that's a real problem, because Relink >> is for me an essential part of this mix. >> >> I see it like this: one of TW's superpowers is the ability to create AND >> modify content (including tiddler titles: a vital content element) so >> dynamically. Problem is that the title field is in effect the primary key >> of these tiddler entities, so if you change that, you break a whole lot of >> links in a typically "intertwingled" wiki. Relink plugin provides a fine >> solution to this problem internally... But as far as links-in from the >> ouside world are concerned, they must remain unchanged from the time that >> you publish them in perpetuity; this is precisely the ProblemOfLinkRot that >> drives my interest in using some other field that would survive a title >> change (or any change in other content) as the UID for published Permalinks. >> >> So: gosh, this is vexing. Your solution ticks a lot of boxes, Charlie: >> nice compact URL, smartly integrated in UI (your decision about nesting the >> control in such a way that is reasonably accessible to editors while >> obscuring it from the superficial view of more casual wiki-browsers strikes >> me as wise)... And the fact that it doesn't involve any modification of >> Core elements means it won't interfere w/ TW's nice easy upgrade mechanics, >> or complicate the lives of busy Core devs who would have to work around >> that somehow. >> >> If we can get it to play nicely with Relink tho, then it's a non-starter, >> from my perspective. Would love to hear your thoughts about this. >> >> /walt >> >> On Sunday, May 9, 2021 at 3:25:25 AM UTC+1 [email protected] wrote: >> >>> I removed all of the UID tiddlers from your TiddlyWiki, and I get a >>> consistent javascript error trying to rename the tiddler "PermaLinkCharlie". >>> >>> The javascript error stops happening after I remove the >>> "PermaLinkCharlie" reference from the text of your >>> "SolutionToProblemOfLinkRot" tiddler. >>> >>> It looks like Relink is giving a javascript error when trying to rename >>> a tiddler (let's call it Tiddler A) that has a CamelCase title WHEN there >>> are any other tiddlers that have Tiddler A's CamelCase title in any field >>> that Relink scans. >>> >>> On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 4:10:40 PM UTC-3 ludwa6 wrote: >>> >>>> You're a wizard, Charlie! Problem is, these magic spells invoked in an >>>> unforseen context can yield unexpected results. >>>> >>>> At least the first step -getting a PermaLink to a newly created >>>> tiddler- worked fine: see https://meta.tiddlyhost.com/#:[uid[3]] >>>> (NB: that one is #3, because tiddlers 1 & 2 got flubbed, because i >>>> forgot that Tiddlyhost needs me to save not just tiddler, but then the >>>> whole wiki... And so i ran the script twice on same tiddler, and now both >>>> 1&2 pull blanks). >>>> >>>> But then at step two -changing the title of tiddler- it threw me this >>>> error message when i tried to save tiddler: >>>> >>>> * Internal JavaScript Error: Uncaught TypeError: cannot read property >>>> '1' of undefined When relinking 'SolutionToProblemOfLinkRot'* >>>> Because the tiddler in step 1 above has a backlink to this other >>>> 'SolutionToProblemOfLinkRot' -but i don't know if it's that Tiddlyhost >>>> doesn't like the UID attribute, or has a problem with the "Relink" plugin >>>> i >>>> have installed. >>>> >>>> Anyway: i will try some other tests tomorrow; just thought to share >>>> this one now, while it's fresh. >>>> ps: can't wait to see this next video! :-) >>>> >>>> /walt >>>> >>>> On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 6:14:30 PM UTC+1 [email protected] wrote: >>>> >>>>> Arg. I should have mentioned. The "ViewToolbar" button to add a UID >>>>> to a tiddler is in the "More" button's menu. >>>>> >>>>> I decided to make it a little bit more difficult to reach, because >>>>> when a TiddlyWiki is publicly hosted on the web, we don't want viewers >>>>> creating UID's on tiddler's and then grabbing UID permalinks, thinking >>>>> they >>>>> can directly open a TiddlyWiki to that particular tiddler. >>>>> >>>>> I'll try to remember going over that in next video. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 1:54:46 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Okay, for anybody who wants to play, please find the attached JSON, a >>>>>> package of 9 small tiddlers ready for importing into your own test >>>>>> TiddlyWiki. >>>>>> >>>>>> After you import the attached JSON tiddler, open it to import the >>>>>> individual tidders. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've made a few changes, and will discuss them in a new video today, >>>>>> or tomorrow, or within the next few days. >>>>>> >>>>>> In the meantime, please give it a spin and let me know what breaks or >>>>>> gets broken. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers ! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 12:24:47 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Tidflix ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 12:22:28 PM UTC-3 David Gifford wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The beginnings of the TiddlyWiki Cinematic Universe >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 5, 2021 at 8:18:52 PM UTC-5 [email protected] >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What the heck, I ask for forgiveness rather than for permission. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm thinking this may be worth a distinct thread in case it >>>>>>>>> generates loads of questions/comments. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> YouTube video based on the conversation in Relink vs Permalinks >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/QOzs3CVtosU> : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> TiddlyWiki: A Prototype of UID's for stable permalinks >>>>>>>>> <https://youtu.be/UOFqXoyEU4I> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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