Tones, for what it's worth, I agree with a lot of things you're saying. At my present state of learning TiddlyWiki (many years in the process now), CSS & TiddlyWiki classes are one of the last frontiers for me, and probably because there's no easy starting point. I'm not calling this out as a fault of TiddlyWiki to be clear - just an opportunity to bring out / generate more palette and layout developers! It strikes me that there's now a layout chooser in the standard control panel, but no options yet. With my own project of a layout that would be familiar to people who use Office every day, it's been a struggle figuring that out, which makes me wonder what we'd get from the user population if that were easier!
I also however agree with others that building something going to explain *everything* is probably too far, so in my head there's a dividing factor where something could be provided by going part of the way, and leaving the browser developer tools to go the rest of the way. If that sounds like a "cop out", I'd suggest we're already there. For example as has been pointed out, there's StoryTop and StoryLeft as tiddlers, but setting those to 0 doesn't actually move the story all the way to the top or left due to other classes unknown. You (Tones) may be focused on other parts like formatting colors etc. but my own interest has primarily been positioning and layout as I'm sure is evident :) One thing on my todo list was to have a 1-page reference sheet of all of the main classes I was able to deduce regarding layout. Showing a picture of the whole standard screen layout, and marking the class or tiddler that controls each of the spacing. Seems like most of the spacing settings are all in the tc-.... .padding / .margin namespace. I have no way of knowing how many of these tc-.... classes there are in regards to layout, but if there are a limited number, this may still be doable. R language for instance does a lot of their core documentation on these 1-page printable pages (Cheatsheets) which are really handy. We could produce something similar as a visual reference. RStudio Cheatsheets - RStudio <https://www.rstudio.com/resources/cheatsheets/> Lastly just as commentary, my own (very possibly inaccurate) feel from watching this community over many years is that most of the experts here came in with some web development background first, and then are trying to learn, and develop just about how TiddlyWiki does things. I conversely come from nearly the opposite background of having played with TiddlyWiki and other low-code programming languages for a long time, can make really useful and powerful things (I build business apps for my corporation on the side), but struggle the most on changing the look and feel. If I reflect, I guess I interpret things that way because when the question is around say generating a list of things, we see really great, detailed walkthroughs of how it works, watchouts, step by step answers which are awesome, but to your point Tones, when it's a formatting question, the answer is more like - "It's easy, just use CSS!" or pointing to some other highly-customized wiki somebody else has made. The implication is that we already know how to reverse-engineer css and the TiddlyWiki classes. Again, not criticizing in the slightest - we're all here voluntarily, just an observation that I feel like I'm coming from a minority perspective. On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 4:08:47 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote: > TW Tones > > I think it would be pretty easy to provide a LIVE HIGHLIGHT tool that > dynamically shows CSS in action in the wiki? > (For instance giving a coloured border to different div elements)? > > That might clarify the issues somewhat in a practical way? > > Thoughts > TT > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/c90c3004-ec4a-4383-9e34-59a50b724f7cn%40googlegroups.com.
