*Some clarification:* Discord <https://discord.com/> and Discourse <https://www.discourse.org/> are not the same. The former is primarily a real time chat, while the latter is an open source forum software.
Discourse is open source and free to self-host. Paying for professional hosting is worth it for the reliability it would bring. You own your own data, can migrate to other hosts etc, there is no reliance on any central authority. You can also extend it with plugins. The effort and resources required to implement a good discussion system are *quite substantial, *and personally I think better spent on various other needs in the community. Lastly, the user split is already a reality. Stay within the confines of GG you just don't see it. A lot of users end up on reddit or discord precisely because they don't want to use GG, and I suspect most of them don't have the best experience with the community (and possibly give up on TW early) because those channels are not particularly active. Saq On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 3:45:31 PM UTC+2 ludwa6 wrote: > Not to keep banging the Discord drum- there's a bigger conversation here > that needs to run its course -but i have to ask, since there's a question > in the air about hosting: Re this "TiddlyWiki 5" server that i have in my > Discord client (has a blue w/ white "T5" icon in server browser): Where is > this server hosted? Is it paid or free? Looks like "saqimtiaz" is one of > that server's more active users, so maybe @saq can give some context about > this... > > For my part: i joined the Discord party to access the Fission server, when > i was trying to get my tiddlywiki.fission.app working, and needed support > to get that working. Got some great help in real-time from a few of the > good people there, low-latency interaction being one of the great > advantages Discord has over GG, and sorted the problem out right quick. Am > guessing that i acquired access to the T5 server around that time, via > pointage from one of the Fission channels, but in fact i don't know the > source. > > PS: Seeing as how Discord login via Google account is an option, as @TT > points out w/ screenshot below, that would seem to make migration easy as > can be... And maybe there's even a way to mirror discussion threads from > here and topic threads over there to update one another (not blow-by-blow; > just name of thread / topic). Another practical point to consider, if & > when the higher-level conversation comes down to How :-) > > /walt > > > On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 10:17:43 AM UTC+1 [email protected] wrote: > >> ...Moving to Discourse isn't going to be a silver bullet. However it >> would give us the opportunity to start building towards something better >> with tools that help us, rather than continuing to struggle to work around >> the limitations of GG; which only seem to be getting worse. >> > >> Regards, >> Saq >> >> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 10:46:22 AM UTC+2 TiddlyTweeter wrote: >> >>> Ciao ludwa6 >>> >>> As I commented to Saq, it can't be just about "is Discourse better?" It >>> IS. BUT it is not the central issue though. >>> There needs to be DEEP THOUGHT about *HOW you could ever transition* >>> from here to there without devastating the membership here? >>> >>> FWIW, one BIG UPSIDE with Discourse is that you can logon with GOOGLE >>> credentials. >>> Might seem like a small thing, but those small things matter in easing >>> the case for any potential transfer ... >>> >>> Best wishes >>> TT >>> >>> [image: Screenshot 2021-05-30 103742.jpg] >>> >>> On Sunday, 30 May 2021 at 10:13:39 UTC+2 ludwa6 wrote: >>> >>>> I share your pain, @TT... and am +1 @saq's idea about Discourse and how >>>> to fund it. >>>> >>>> I for one would be happy to chip in a few $/month to support this >>>> community, and- from earlier discussion thread @Tones initiated (can't >>>> seem >>>> to find it now; see the problem? :-) -i gather that there be others >>>> likewise inclined to fund the community somehow, if only we could find an >>>> equitable way to do so. As discussed, who or what initiative gets funded, >>>> and how that gets decided is not a trivial problem... >>>> >>>> So funding for an improved collaboration infrastructure seems not only >>>> perfectly equitable, it also solves what must be (if TT & i are at all >>>> representative) a problem we all share, and an opportunity for more >>>> effective collaboration. >>>> >>>> /walt >>>> >>>> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 7:50:46 AM UTC+1 [email protected] wrote: >>>> >>>>> I would like to see us move to using Discourse >>>>> <https://www.discourse.org/> for discussions. In particular the >>>>> search feature is very well implemented. >>>>> >>>>> Professional hosting ranges $50-100 per month. Personally I think an >>>>> Open Collective model for where the community chips in with recurring >>>>> monthly contributions to support that would be a good way to approach it. >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 8:34:37 AM UTC+2 TiddlyTweeter wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> This Google Group is OUR main end-user forum. >>>>>> >>>>>> There are problems with Google Groups. More recently it was >>>>>> "dumbed-down" by Google. A lot of tools just disappeared. That just made >>>>>> it >>>>>> worse for OUR needs. >>>>>> >>>>>> And, long term, it has proved to also have NO DECENT MEMORY. >>>>>> Search here is the Total Pits. >>>>>> >>>>>> WHAT happens as a result of that? >>>>>> >>>>>> A VERY common pattern that happens daily here is RE-CREATION OF THE >>>>>> WHEEL. >>>>>> GG lacks any easy, structured, way to interrogate the VAST >>>>>> knowledge-base that this GG actually IS. >>>>>> SO, again and again, you see very similar queries come up and be >>>>>> patiently RE-answered. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think a much BETTER way would be to leverage off the knowledge >>>>>> accumulated here and direct users first to already EXTANT solutions. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not sure it is possible. >>>>>> But repetition of the variants on the same question is a waste, I >>>>>> think? >>>>>> >>>>>> Just comments >>>>>> TT >>>>>> >>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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