Hey, I totally agree with you, and if I sound unappreciative, then I totally apologize. I do very much appreciate.
Each one of us learns within the confines of our own abilities, learning by maximizing those things that play to our strengths and minimizing those things that emphasize our weaknesses. I've got ADHD (attention regulation challenges), and I go into dysfunction when I'm overstimulated by sensory overload and/or cognitive overload. My safe place is immersing myself in the details of a complex and very focused problem/project. I'm at my happiest when hyper-focused on all of the intertwingled/hyperlinked intricacies of a problem/project scope and the tools I know for working things out. When I hit a wall because what I am familiar does not work, then I go seeking out the new things I need, within the safe boundaries of the problem/project scope. It does tickle me silly to know that there are other approaches to handling a problem. It is a huge benefit. But I can't study that new thing right away, because I'm hyperfocused (like a dog chewing on a bone) on churning code for the current problem with a keen desire to master a particular thing (in this case: filtering.) As keen as I am for folk to contribute their knowledge of alternative ways of doing things for everybody's benefit (I encourage that something silly), the best I can do is simply take note of that, and park it into a recess of my sponge for later reference when I need it. Back to the dog chewing on a bone: everything else is a squirrel. I get easily distracted, but unlike the dog who can forget about the bone and see just the squirrel, I'm more like a kid in a candy+toy store, and I don't know where to look: too much to process. So I take note that there are awesome alternatives out there (features in TiddlyWiki, plugin's, macros/scripts, upcoming new stuff, whatever), and I quickly park that note in subconscious memory for when I hit a wall or want to just enjoy learning something new. When I'm in the midst of trying to figure out how I can solve something with the things I've learned so far, trying to process alternative ways of doing things when I'm banging my head against a wall is like having a bunch of people talking to me at the same time: immediate over-stimulation and I shut right down. Most folk don't have this disability (they can easily pause something, and transition from one thing to another), hence my standing ovation for anything and everything educative. I just usually find myself having to ignore the discussion, because I'm already fully engaged in some pretty deep bush-whacking. So that long-winded diatribe just to say the stuff you're contributing (that everybody contributes, whenever/wherever/however) is awesome. I'm exceedingly appreciative. It is just hard for me to show that appreciation by adopting/discussing the idea because I can't cope with competing thoughts. Well, I also find writing a great exercise to understand oneself, too. Not just how I function/dysfunction, but also how it impacts others. Which has me on regular guilt-trips. Trying to stay in a safe place cognitively, while trying to be respectful/appreciative of others. Not so easy to focus on both when the disability is attention regulation. I can pat my head and rub my belly at the same time, so I like to think it is possible. Then again, show me a dog that doesn't like to have belly rubbed and a pat on the head ... On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 1:37:38 AM UTC-3 Mohammad wrote: > On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 12:34 AM Charlie Veniot <cj.v...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> The simplest combo of filters and transclusions? That could be wildly >> different for each person. >> >> For each person, It would be what is easiest to understand and maintain >> for that person, based on each person's intertwingled way of seeing things, >> based on each person's experiences (how he/she has done things before, with >> the features/tool he/she is familiar with, etc. etc. etc.). So done in a >> way that is likely easily recognisable long after initially written. >> >> Likely done à-la "git 'er done" with what one knows right away, maybe >> with what one knows to look for without ever having worked with, maybe >> refactored later with newly learned things (say listops, for example), or >> things with which one now feels comfortable using. >> >> There is no one simplest solution for all. There are a plethora of >> solutions, one being the "simplest" for one group of people, another >> solution being the best for another group of people, and another for >> another group, ad infinitum/nauseum.. What you may consider the simplest, >> I consider too complex. What I consider the simplest, you might consider >> too complex. >> > > but one can learn from others! that is why we have schools, teachers, > universities, books, papers, ... you may find your solution is the best, > but see other solutions and learn! > > >> Yeah, I just went philosophical. Too hungry for supper at the moment to >> get cracking on some code. But I am mentally chewing on it, while also >> thinking about chowing down on some literal food... >> > > somethies discussing things and having different ideas from > different people helps to find better solutions! > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Saturday, June 5, 2021 at 4:36:27 PM UTC-3 Mohammad wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 9:36 PM Charlie Veniot <cj.v...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> *That is definitely short and sweet (elegant !).* Thanks for >>>> posting! Great to have in one's toolkit (i.e. knowledge of listops, or >>>> simply availability of excellent pre-canned solutions to focus on bigger >>>> problems), so into my back-pocket for delving into someday it all goes. >>>> >>>> I'm on a hyper-focused quest to fully explore TiddlyWiki filtering, so >>>> although on my radar, I've buried listops far under the pile until I've >>>> pretty well tapped-out the possibilities with filters. It is very easy to >>>> get overwhelmed trying to learn/remember/practice the whole buffet of >>>> options re TiddlyWiki options/features/etc. >>>> >>>> I also tend to avoid plugins, however fantastic, unless they solve a >>>> problem I'm really not interested in solving. For most things, trying to >>>> solve them with transclusions and filtering are just too strong and >>>> exciting/attractive exercises for this kid to pass up. >>>> >>>> For anybody with the time and desire to dabble in "the weeds of >>>> TiddlyWiki empowerment", filtering is, to me, the greatest place to focus >>>> on. "How would I do this/that with filters", they are such great >>>> exercises. Well, this old fella sees those as great brain-age exercises >>>> of >>>> the puzzle-solving kind. Every new thing learned re filtering feels like >>>> an opening up of exponential possibilities. (I have way too much fun with >>>> this stuff...) >>>> >>> >>> Yes, I see your nice solution using filtering and transclusion! So, >>> let's ask a question, I need it to use it in some real cases! >>> I have a lengthy solution! and I am looking for a simpler one! >>> >>> A. >>> 1. Assume I have several tiddlers tagged with data and have three >>> fields: st.name, st.number, st.average >>> 2. I want to make a table out of these as below >>> 2.1 each row is a tiddler >>> 2.2 each column is a field like this: Title, Name, Number, Average >>> 3. Sort table >>> 3.1. I have three buttons, clicking on each button sort table by one of >>> title, number or average >>> 3. Now I want to sort the table by first column: Name or Number >>> 4. Then I want to sort again (doubly sort) table based on average >>> >>> B. >>> The general solution should be like this >>> - user can click on a button and get the table sorted >>> - user then click on the second button and get the double sorted >>> - user then click on the third button and gettriply sorted table >>> >>> What is the simplest filter/transclusion for this? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Saturday, June 5, 2021 at 1:23:08 PM UTC-3 Mohammad wrote: >>>> >>>>> It's a bit complicated! but it works! >>>>> >>>>> have a look at TW-Scripts for example >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://kookma.github.io/TW-Scripts/#Add%20Remove%20Tags%20Using%20ActionListops >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes >>>>> Mohammad >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 7:56 PM Charlie Veniot <cj.v...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Nah, I didn't consider that because the particular TiddlyWiki >>>>>> instance I'm working with I've setup with only single-word tags. >>>>>> >>>>>> So no, that particular code sample was not designed for a tag with >>>>>> words separated by spaces. >>>>>> >>>>>> To handle any multi-word tag with spaces between the words: >>>>>> >>>>>> \define doIt() >>>>>> <$vars ldb="[[" >>>>>> rdb="]]"> >>>>>> <$list variable="thisTiddler" filter="[tag[A]]"> >>>>>> <$action-setfield $tiddler=<<thisTiddler>> $field="tags" $value={{{ >>>>>> [<thisTiddler>tags[]addprefix<ldb>addsuffix<rdb>join[ ]] >>>>>> [[mot]addprefix<ldb>addsuffix<rdb>] +[join[ ]] }}}/> >>>>>> </$list> >>>>>> </$vars> >>>>>> \end >>>>>> >>>>>> <$button actions=<<doIt>>> >>>>>> Tag Em >>>>>> </$button> >>>>>> >>>>>> I've also wrapped the new tag (hard-coded in my code sample as "mot") >>>>>> with double-brackets, so that if you replace "mot" with a >>>>>> multi-word-separated by spaces tag, the code still works otherwise >>>>>> as-is. >>>>>> (in the case of a single-word, or CamelCase word, TiddlyWiki will ignore >>>>>> the double-brackets.) >>>>>> >>>>>> If you want to make the actions macro more generalized, then you'll >>>>>> want to add a parameter (newTag?), and then replace "mot" with >>>>>> "$newTag$", >>>>>> I think without trying it. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, June 5, 2021 at 6:33:51 AM UTC-3 Mohammad wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Does this work if you want to add [[newTag from code]]? >>>>>>> Or if the tiddlers already have a tag with space in the title? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best wishes >>>>>>> Mohammad >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 10:01 AM Charlie Veniot <cj.v...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> G'day, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm refactoring the design on a TiddlyWiki project, and wanted to >>>>>>>> apply tag changes to batches of tiddlers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In case of any interest, here's the related code pattern: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> \define doIt() >>>>>>>> <$list variable="thisTiddler" filter="[tag[A]]"> >>>>>>>> <$action-setfield $tiddler=<<thisTiddler>> $field="tags" $value={{{ >>>>>>>> [<thisTiddler>tags[]] [[mot]] +[join[ ]] }}}/> >>>>>>>> </$list> >>>>>>>> \end >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <$button actions=<<doIt>>> >>>>>>>> Tag Em >>>>>>>> </$button> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers ! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/9b84cbd5-ce87-4611-a180-4dccaf611061n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/9b84cbd5-ce87-4611-a180-4dccaf611061n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/832ea5f8-e467-4e28-8785-a58ccb02562en%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/832ea5f8-e467-4e28-8785-a58ccb02562en%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com. >>>> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/f5c68508-6cf6-4682-b39c-d91299a3a61en%40googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/f5c68508-6cf6-4682-b39c-d91299a3a61en%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TiddlyWiki" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/48ec5470-fcbd-4056-975a-1e08c832bce7n%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/48ec5470-fcbd-4056-975a-1e08c832bce7n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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