Well said and totally agree (well, everybody is great), and any slow down of good information and conversation is to me the worst thing that can happen in a community.
I just want to clearly state that if I'm not showing appreciation, not adopting something, or not engaging: I'm just not ready to process the info, I can't transition out of current thought processes, and I'm just trying to stay in a cognitively safe place. The beauty of differences can be overwhelming to this kid. You should see me struggle at a buffet... On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 12:47 PM Mohammad Rahmani <mohammad.rahm...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Charlie, > > You are great and I learn from you and what you publish in the forum! > There is no need to apologize as we discussed something technically! and > many times disagreement helps to improve things! > We have a Perdian proverb: differences make beauty! > > So, I appreciate your efforts and thoughts shared with us here! > > Best wishes > Mohammad > > > On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 8:04 PM Charlie Veniot <cj.ven...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hey, I totally agree with you, and if I sound unappreciative, then I >> totally apologize. I do very much appreciate. >> >> Each one of us learns within the confines of our own abilities, learning >> by maximizing those things that play to our strengths and minimizing those >> things that emphasize our weaknesses. >> >> I've got ADHD (attention regulation challenges), and I go into >> dysfunction when I'm overstimulated by sensory overload and/or cognitive >> overload. >> >> My safe place is immersing myself in the details of a complex and very >> focused problem/project. I'm at my happiest when hyper-focused on all of >> the intertwingled/hyperlinked intricacies of a problem/project scope and >> the tools I know for working things out. When I hit a wall because what I >> am familiar does not work, then I go seeking out the new things I need, >> within the safe boundaries of the problem/project scope. >> >> It does tickle me silly to know that there are other approaches to >> handling a problem. It is a huge benefit. But I can't study that new >> thing right away, because I'm hyperfocused (like a dog chewing on a bone) >> on churning code for the current problem with a keen desire to master a >> particular thing (in this case: filtering.) >> >> As keen as I am for folk to contribute their knowledge of alternative >> ways of doing things for everybody's benefit (I encourage that something >> silly), the best I can do is simply take note of that, and park it into a >> recess of my sponge for later reference when I need it. Back to the dog >> chewing on a bone: everything else is a squirrel. I get easily distracted, >> but unlike the dog who can forget about the bone and see just the squirrel, >> I'm more like a kid in a candy+toy store, and I don't know where to look: >> too much to process. >> >> So I take note that there are awesome alternatives out there (features in >> TiddlyWiki, plugin's, macros/scripts, upcoming new stuff, whatever), and I >> quickly park that note in subconscious memory for when I hit a wall or want >> to just enjoy learning something new. When I'm in the midst of trying to >> figure out how I can solve something with the things I've learned so far, >> trying to process alternative ways of doing things when I'm banging my head >> against a wall is like having a bunch of people talking to me at the same >> time: immediate over-stimulation and I shut right down. >> >> Most folk don't have this disability (they can easily pause something, >> and transition from one thing to another), hence my standing ovation for >> anything and everything educative. I just usually find myself having to >> ignore the discussion, because I'm already fully engaged in some pretty >> deep bush-whacking. >> >> So that long-winded diatribe just to say the stuff you're contributing >> (that everybody contributes, whenever/wherever/however) is awesome. I'm >> exceedingly appreciative. It is just hard for me to show that appreciation >> by adopting/discussing the idea because I can't cope with competing >> thoughts. >> >> Well, I also find writing a great exercise to understand oneself, too. >> Not just how I function/dysfunction, but also how it impacts others. Which >> has me on regular guilt-trips. Trying to stay in a safe place cognitively, >> while trying to be respectful/appreciative of others. Not so easy to focus >> on both when the disability is attention regulation. >> >> I can pat my head and rub my belly at the same time, so I like to think >> it is possible. Then again, show me a dog that doesn't like to have belly >> rubbed and a pat on the head ... >> >> >> >> On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 1:37:38 AM UTC-3 Mohammad wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 12:34 AM Charlie Veniot <cj.v...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> The simplest combo of filters and transclusions? That could be wildly >>>> different for each person. >>>> >>>> For each person, It would be what is easiest to understand and maintain >>>> for that person, based on each person's intertwingled way of seeing things, >>>> based on each person's experiences (how he/she has done things before, with >>>> the features/tool he/she is familiar with, etc. etc. etc.). So done in a >>>> way that is likely easily recognisable long after initially written. >>>> >>>> Likely done à-la "git 'er done" with what one knows right away, maybe >>>> with what one knows to look for without ever having worked with, maybe >>>> refactored later with newly learned things (say listops, for example), or >>>> things with which one now feels comfortable using. >>>> >>>> There is no one simplest solution for all. There are a plethora of >>>> solutions, one being the "simplest" for one group of people, another >>>> solution being the best for another group of people, and another for >>>> another group, ad infinitum/nauseum.. What you may consider the simplest, >>>> I consider too complex. What I consider the simplest, you might consider >>>> too complex. >>>> >>> >>> but one can learn from others! that is why we have schools, teachers, >>> universities, books, papers, ... you may find your solution is the best, >>> but see other solutions and learn! >>> >>> >>>> Yeah, I just went philosophical. Too hungry for supper at the moment >>>> to get cracking on some code. But I am mentally chewing on it, while also >>>> thinking about chowing down on some literal food... >>>> >>> >>> somethies discussing things and having different ideas from >>> different people helps to find better solutions! >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Saturday, June 5, 2021 at 4:36:27 PM UTC-3 Mohammad wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 9:36 PM Charlie Veniot <cj.v...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> *That is definitely short and sweet (elegant !).* Thanks for >>>>>> posting! Great to have in one's toolkit (i.e. knowledge of listops, or >>>>>> simply availability of excellent pre-canned solutions to focus on bigger >>>>>> problems), so into my back-pocket for delving into someday it all goes. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm on a hyper-focused quest to fully explore TiddlyWiki filtering, >>>>>> so although on my radar, I've buried listops far under the pile until >>>>>> I've >>>>>> pretty well tapped-out the possibilities with filters. It is very easy >>>>>> to >>>>>> get overwhelmed trying to learn/remember/practice the whole buffet of >>>>>> options re TiddlyWiki options/features/etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> I also tend to avoid plugins, however fantastic, unless they solve a >>>>>> problem I'm really not interested in solving. For most things, trying to >>>>>> solve them with transclusions and filtering are just too strong and >>>>>> exciting/attractive exercises for this kid to pass up. >>>>>> >>>>>> For anybody with the time and desire to dabble in "the weeds of >>>>>> TiddlyWiki empowerment", filtering is, to me, the greatest place to focus >>>>>> on. "How would I do this/that with filters", they are such great >>>>>> exercises. Well, this old fella sees those as great brain-age exercises >>>>>> of >>>>>> the puzzle-solving kind. Every new thing learned re filtering feels like >>>>>> an opening up of exponential possibilities. (I have way too much fun >>>>>> with >>>>>> this stuff...) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes, I see your nice solution using filtering and transclusion! So, >>>>> let's ask a question, I need it to use it in some real cases! >>>>> I have a lengthy solution! and I am looking for a simpler one! >>>>> >>>>> A. >>>>> 1. Assume I have several tiddlers tagged with data and have three >>>>> fields: st.name, st.number, st.average >>>>> 2. I want to make a table out of these as below >>>>> 2.1 each row is a tiddler >>>>> 2.2 each column is a field like this: Title, Name, Number, Average >>>>> 3. Sort table >>>>> 3.1. I have three buttons, clicking on each button sort table by one >>>>> of title, number or average >>>>> 3. Now I want to sort the table by first column: Name or Number >>>>> 4. Then I want to sort again (doubly sort) table based on average >>>>> >>>>> B. >>>>> The general solution should be like this >>>>> - user can click on a button and get the table sorted >>>>> - user then click on the second button and get the double sorted >>>>> - user then click on the third button and gettriply sorted table >>>>> >>>>> What is the simplest filter/transclusion for this? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, June 5, 2021 at 1:23:08 PM UTC-3 Mohammad wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It's a bit complicated! but it works! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> have a look at TW-Scripts for example >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://kookma.github.io/TW-Scripts/#Add%20Remove%20Tags%20Using%20ActionListops >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best wishes >>>>>>> Mohammad >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 7:56 PM Charlie Veniot <cj.v...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nah, I didn't consider that because the particular TiddlyWiki >>>>>>>> instance I'm working with I've setup with only single-word tags. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So no, that particular code sample was not designed for a tag with >>>>>>>> words separated by spaces. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To handle any multi-word tag with spaces between the words: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> \define doIt() >>>>>>>> <$vars ldb="[[" >>>>>>>> rdb="]]"> >>>>>>>> <$list variable="thisTiddler" filter="[tag[A]]"> >>>>>>>> <$action-setfield $tiddler=<<thisTiddler>> $field="tags" $value={{{ >>>>>>>> [<thisTiddler>tags[]addprefix<ldb>addsuffix<rdb>join[ ]] >>>>>>>> [[mot]addprefix<ldb>addsuffix<rdb>] +[join[ ]] }}}/> >>>>>>>> </$list> >>>>>>>> </$vars> >>>>>>>> \end >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <$button actions=<<doIt>>> >>>>>>>> Tag Em >>>>>>>> </$button> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've also wrapped the new tag (hard-coded in my code sample as >>>>>>>> "mot") with double-brackets, so that if you replace "mot" with a >>>>>>>> multi-word-separated by spaces tag, the code still works otherwise >>>>>>>> as-is. >>>>>>>> (in the case of a single-word, or CamelCase word, TiddlyWiki will >>>>>>>> ignore >>>>>>>> the double-brackets.) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you want to make the actions macro more generalized, then you'll >>>>>>>> want to add a parameter (newTag?), and then replace "mot" with >>>>>>>> "$newTag$", >>>>>>>> I think without trying it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, June 5, 2021 at 6:33:51 AM UTC-3 Mohammad wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Does this work if you want to add [[newTag from code]]? >>>>>>>>> Or if the tiddlers already have a tag with space in the title? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best wishes >>>>>>>>> Mohammad >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 10:01 AM Charlie Veniot <cj.v...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> G'day, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm refactoring the design on a TiddlyWiki project, and wanted to >>>>>>>>>> apply tag changes to batches of tiddlers. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In case of any interest, here's the related code pattern: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> \define doIt() >>>>>>>>>> <$list variable="thisTiddler" filter="[tag[A]]"> >>>>>>>>>> <$action-setfield $tiddler=<<thisTiddler>> $field="tags" >>>>>>>>>> $value={{{ [<thisTiddler>tags[]] [[mot]] +[join[ ]] }}}/> >>>>>>>>>> </$list> >>>>>>>>>> \end >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <$button actions=<<doIt>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tag Em >>>>>>>>>> </$button> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers ! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/9b84cbd5-ce87-4611-a180-4dccaf611061n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/9b84cbd5-ce87-4611-a180-4dccaf611061n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/832ea5f8-e467-4e28-8785-a58ccb02562en%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/832ea5f8-e467-4e28-8785-a58ccb02562en%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/f5c68508-6cf6-4682-b39c-d91299a3a61en%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/f5c68508-6cf6-4682-b39c-d91299a3a61en%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com. >>>> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/48ec5470-fcbd-4056-975a-1e08c832bce7n%40googlegroups.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/48ec5470-fcbd-4056-975a-1e08c832bce7n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TiddlyWiki" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/d58a37e7-c216-4435-a93a-f016c37b3fcdn%40googlegroups.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/d58a37e7-c216-4435-a93a-f016c37b3fcdn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/tF2MvRO8WJY/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/CAAV1gMCiyNEdTEQ1zhV1-KZqw4bm1m1HCjS3tEBVQbLAFLv9FQ%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/CAAV1gMCiyNEdTEQ1zhV1-KZqw4bm1m1HCjS3tEBVQbLAFLv9FQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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