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On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 6:28:12 PM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:

> Given
> Converted Time Sydney, NSW, Australia 
> <https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/australia/sydney>
> 2:00 am AEST <https://www.timeanddate.com/time/zones/aest>
> Wednesday, 18 August 2021
>
> I am not sure I will make it, perhaps in a follow-up one. If possible if 
> you can publish a recording after it would be appreciated.
>
> This subject means a lot to me. If I may share these points in advance for 
> consideration.
>
>
>    - The provision of serial editing (one use after the other) through 
>    check in and check out mechanisms, for all saver mechanism's.  This would 
>    be the quickest route to supporting multi-users/teams on tiddlywiki
>    - It is quite easy to change the filename of a saved tiddlywiki, say 
>    on php and tw-reciever. it seems to be the save technology can already 
> save 
>    files to hosts. It seems to be we need to open this up to trusted users 
>    with the appropriate credentials so for example
>       - A single file tiddlywiki could save the changes made by one user 
>       only, in an independent file (delta backup). Then either the 
>          - owner can import all user contributions and apply them to the 
>          master copy, 
>          - or users can recover their current state by loading their own 
>          file of changes (delta backup) from the host ). 
>          - or both 
>          - Contention and overwrites can be handled by the wiki designer 
>          or interactively.
>       - Designers could write information or logs to the host file system 
>       from the tiddlywiki, acknowledging all permitted users have file update 
>       rights. This would allow survey answers, to be saved, comments etc...
>    
> Regards
> Tones
> On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 04:02:41 UTC+10 bo...@fission.codes wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the kind words, Saq. It's been great working with you and 
>> Jeremy and I'm happy to support you and the community.
>>
>> I'd really like some open discussion around how the TiddlyWiki community 
>> can use and rally around Open Collective. I'm personally _very_ inspired by 
>> the organization and the promise it has over time -- and where it is at 
>> today. Their recent blog post is a very good read 
>> https://blog.opencollective.com/solidarity-as-our-guiding-principle/. 
>> I'll quote part of the post:
>>
>> *Technology Owned by the People*
>> *Open Collective is part of a movement for start-ups and tech platforms 
>> become to become owned by their users and stakeholders, called “exit to 
>> community” or E2C. Learn more about this community interested in community 
>> control and governance here. We don’t know exactly what the future holds, 
>> but OCF, grounded in perspectives of solidarity, will be a key influence on 
>> the future of the Open Collective platform as a commons.*
>>
>> In short, I've been working with open source software and communities for 
>> 2 decades now. I'm more convinced than ever that we can "Build Software 
>> Together" and that Open Collective is a tool that can be used by 
>> communities to pool funds towards common goals.
>>
>> This experiment with the file uploads plugin has lead directly to having 
>> Saq spend time working on a more solid foundation for core TW architecture. 
>> Can we continue this? Can we get more small and large projects and people 
>> funded through OC?
>>
>> On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 12:33:18 PM UTC-7 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> We will be having a *TiddlyWiki Community call* with Jeremy, Boris and 
>>> myself on August 17th at 6pm CET: TiddlyWiki Community: Core Savers & 
>>> Syncers, Upload Plugin, & Community Forum - Zoom 
>>> <https://lu.ma/6l5y65il>
>>>
>>> I hope some of you will be able to join us for what I think will be a 
>>> very interesting discussion. Please register for the event at the link 
>>> above.
>>>
>>> The call will include:
>>>
>>>    - a progress update on my work on the *Uploads plugin* funded by 
>>>    Open Collective
>>>    - a summary of some rather exciting and promising avenues for core 
>>>    development in the areas of *Savers and Syncers* that has come out 
>>>    of discussions around the Uploads plugin
>>>    - an update on the *Open Collective* model for funding TiddlyWiki 
>>>    work and what we have learned from it thus far
>>>    - some news from Jeremy and Boris regarding improvements to 
>>>    TiddlyWiki *community infrastructure*.
>>>
>>> I have been slowly working away on the TiddlyWiki file uploads plugin as 
>>> was previously announced 
>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/21yCCLI0E7s/m/vf04ZBxfAwAJ>. 
>>> The majority of the work thus far has consisted of brainstorming around the 
>>> architecture and some very involved but promising and productive 
>>> discussions with Jeremy around how such a plugin would integrate with the 
>>> core, and the direction that the core might take in the future with regards 
>>> to saving and syncing mechanisms. 
>>>
>>> In particular we have identified some exciting opportunities to explore 
>>> in due course for a rethinking of the saver and syncer mechanisms that may 
>>> amongst other things eventually make file uploads a core TiddlyWiki ability 
>>> alongside saving and syncing and static file publishing.
>>>
>>> This has necessitated a change in approach to the File Uploads plugin so 
>>> as to not introduce changes to the TiddlyWiki core at this time which may 
>>> clash with the long term direction of development, and still make the 
>>> Uploads plugin available in a timely manner for those that need this 
>>> functionality today. I currently have a minimal working prototype that 
>>> uploads images imported into TiddlyWiki to Fission, though with no UI or 
>>> error handling as of yet and desperately in need of some heavy refactoring 
>>> to better be able to support different storage back ends. I hope to present 
>>> a demo of an early version of the plugin on the call.
>>>
>>> I would like to take the opportunity here to thank Boris and Fission. 
>>> Despite Boris having chipped in for the vast majority of the funding for 
>>> this plugin as it is something he needs in his own TiddlyWiki usage, not 
>>> only has he been patient and supportive as we focus on long term core 
>>> planning first, but Fission has actively been facilitating those 
>>> discussions.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Saq
>>>
>>

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