Hi TiddlyWikiWizards

I think TiddlyWiki should get seriously into the game of templating...
This thread:https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/
thread/b29b12d52932b5e6?
tells me sth very important about TiddlyWiki's status - (I think) some
things need more attention from developpers...

I've been "fiddling" with TiddlyWiki for a few years now - and I find
myself creating templates for almost everything...
Fact is that I don't know javascript - therefore everything I do -
need some plugin which delivers the needed scripts...

I've learnt to use ForEachTiddlerPlugin and I can create lists or
tables for (almost) anything I want. Most of the time I create
templates from my fETs, which let me reuse them in many different
usercases... Fact is that I'm *can't* remember my fET-syntax anyway -
so I *have* to keep copies of everything anyway....

Today slices, sections and fields are the containers of data in a TW,
however it's not easy to collect and present it in ways that you'd
like.
I think this is a *very* fundamental problem facing any newbie. Why
should they bother to use slices, sections or fields, if they can't
retrieve/fetch the data quite easily?....

I think Jon's http://newtimeline.tiddlyspace.com/#TiddlyWikiListPlugin
tries to address this problem, however it can't deliver nuanced
information based on slices or sections because the core misses the
needed granularity via the <<view>> macro.... In other words: The view-
macro hasn't been updated to match the current uses of slices,
sections or fields...

Eric has tried to address most of these problems with his
http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://www.TiddlyTools.com/%23WikifyPlugin
and 
http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://www.TiddlyTools.com/%23SectionLinksPlugin

I'd like to ask Jon to elaborate on the templating options provided by
TiddlyWikiListPlugin - However I can't see any point in trying to
convince Jon to add features which are not even possible without
Eric's plugins.... If they are - I'm not sure that the most basic
lists or tables showing slices, sections or fields can be tacled with
Jon's and Eric's plugins alone - I don't think so...

What about "default text" - when values are missing? - I don't find
any solution for this anywhere in the threads... I think this is
basic, and should be provided by the core...

There's more - however I have to run now ...

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

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