On Thursday, August 22, 2013 6:53:03 AM UTC+2, David Bakin wrote: > > I'm really enjoying getting started with tiddlywiki. But the learning > curve, once you get past simple wiki markup, is rather steep. And it is > somewhat hard to find information on one's own even given the multitude of > help wikis, plus this group. So I truly appreciate the answers I've been > getting over the past couple of days from you (and others) here in this > group. >
In the old google group site had a nice intro text, that encouraged new users to ask questions, even if they may have found them in the group history. This is very different approach to other groups, where you get blamed, if you ask something, that may have been answered in the "ancient past" ... I think we found out, that every usecase is a bit different and a newbie user can't decide if a historical answer help to solve the problem. May be there is a "better way" allready. We will link you to existing topics, that may be of interest. So just keep asking ;) > I don't want to seem a complainer - as I said I'm really getting going > with using tiddlywiki - but ... here's a viewpoint from a newbie: > Feedback is allways welcome. > You know, the main issue a newbie has in approaching tiddlywiki at this > time is that it has grown continuously and organically over a number of > years and the information is now somewhat spread out. > That's true. http://tiddlywiki.org/ may be a good starting source for "general" and "in depth" info. > And, in addition, it is subject to bit rot. (For example, download the > empty 2.8.1 tiddlywiki, go to the examples tiddler, and see how many of > those links no longer work.) Help content that is linked to is missing in > some cases. Some plugins no longer work properly. And so on. A second > issue is that there is a somewhat unique technical vocabulary associated > with tiddlywiki and I have yet to find a glossary. (E.g., what is > 'transclusion'? What is a 'slice'?) A lot of the help that exists is > rather reference-oriented rather than tutorial-oriented - the tutorials > seem to stop after simple wiki markup. And finally, some things that > should work don't really work - at least for me. I've yet to be able to > import a plugin from any standard site, I get "CORS" errors, whatever they > are. > transclusion .. http://tiddlywiki.org/#Transclusion slice ... http://tiddlywiki.org/#Slice%20Slices section .. http://tiddlywiki.org/#Section%20Sections Sections and slices are very commonly used together with transclusion (the <<tiddler>> macro). I guess, from my POV, the two biggest improvements that could be made are > a) to curate some of the bitrot/linkrot in the principle points of entry - > especially the empty tiddlywiki, and b) to promote the development and > distribution of some intermediate tutorials. > I'd like to contribute to an effort like that. I think I will, ultimately, > write one or more intermediate tutorials focused on some issues as I > progress up the learning curve. > @Eric, @Jeremy here is someone who volunteers to follow the tiddlywiki.com links to see if they still work ;) > Anyway ... again, please don't think I'm a big complainer ... I'm working > hard to develop tiddlywiki skills and habits ... and I mention all this to > encourage you, and others, to answer questions on this forum! Because it > is really helpful! > :) You are welcome! have fun! mario -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
