Hi Dave,

On Tuesday, October 1, 2013 2:10:50 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Okay, I will weigh in.
>
> I for one am patiently looking forward to toggle on an off the right 
> sidebar, since usually I like to clear the decks and focus on content.
>
> Me too. I already do have a working topmenu with 4 buttons (new tiddler, 
control panel, save and close all tiddlers), see 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2638511/TW5_Test.htm
I only need a new 'close all' icon but do not know yet how to create - or 
borrow - one and embed it in a tiddler.
 

> I do agree with the principle that the tiddlers should normally be a 
> limited width to facilitate reading. For reading text, narrower is better. 
> And most tiddlers will be text. 
>
> Yes in many cases it will be true: mainly text.
But one of my use cases ( 
http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2638511/Amsterdam_1822-2009.html ) 
contains more than 2500 photos.
And that is one of the reasons I use tabs. It will be clear if you check 
the photo album, menu Diversen > Fotalbum, tab Nostalgie. If you click a 
photo an enlarged version of it will be opened in a new tab of the browser.


Having the tiddlers be on the left took some getting used to, and still 
> doesn't feel as natural to me as having them on the right, but there are 
> mechanical reasons for which Jeremy put them on the left, and I can live 
> with that.
>
>  
You can easily reverse the tiddlers/sidebar order in 
$:/ControlPanel/ThemetWeaks. Change e.g.:
Story left position 0 => 400
Story right 770 => 20

I am not really keen on the wideness of the right sidebar, and the fact 
> that the story river is too narrow for some tables and images I use in TW. 
> But I have noticed that in zoomin mode, the tiddler width adjusts to the 
> content, and in the case of wide tiddlers, covers over the sidebar. So that 
> is enough to please me, though it must be frustrating to people who need to 
> access the sidebar when that happens.
>
> One thing I hope gets fixed is the extra wide tiddler titles for the state 
> tiddlers in the system tab. I tend to have the system tab open in order to 
> access my stylesheet and other custom system tiddlers. But that extra wide 
> title is annoying to look at and also causes a horizontal scrollbar to 
> appear.
>
> Ton, you seem pretty pumped about tabs! They are handy, but I can see that 
> in TW5 they will have less room to breathe, unless you can toggle the 
> sidebar. I am using tag pills to access things in TW5 rather than tabs. You 
> can create a wall of tab pills, which you can then click to access all the 
> tiddlers in that category. See http://giffmex.org/recursosgiffmex.htm and 
> search for the tiddler Muro de 
> etiquetas<http://giffmex.org/recursosgiffmex.htm#Muro%20de%20etiquetas>to see 
> an example which you can edit to see how it's done. I 
> am also attaching a screenshot of my TW5 to do list. You may find that this 
> is a cleaner open than tabs. Just a thought.
>
> Your screenshot looks very clean, but as I already wrote I prefer tabs in 
my use case with many photos.
But it's all a matter of taste as well.

Cheers, Ton

Blessings,
>
> Dave
>

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