Hi Jim On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:51 PM, James Weaver <[email protected]>wrote:
> I think that I'm answering my own question here: It seems that a tiddler > is only a tag when it is tagging a tiddler; it can't be defined as a tag > explicitly. If this is incorrect, please advise. > That's correct. Tags themselves can be tagged, so you could create tiddlers for all your tags and tag them with the tag "tag". Then you can get a list of tags with [tag[tag]]. Best wishes Jeremy > > Thanks, > Jim Weaver > > > On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 2:39:49 PM UTC-5, James Weaver wrote: >> >> Thanks Mario. A hierarchical structure of tags that you described should >> work for my purposes. I'll need to be able to distinguish between a >> tiddler that is a tag (used for categorization) and a tiddler that isn't a >> tag (used for content). I suppose I could do this with a naming >> convention, as tags are supposed to begin with lower-case, but do you know >> of other ways? I could use the "tagging" filter, but if a given tag >> doesn't happen to be tagging tiddlers at a given moment, it seems that it >> would indicate that it isn't a tag. Hope that makes sense. >> >> Thoughts? >> Jim >> >> On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 1:32:56 PM UTC-5, PMario wrote: >>> >>> Hi Jim, >>> >>> I think what you describe is the standard TW tagging mechanism. >>> >>> eg: >>> >>> - if you create a tiddler named "task" .. and >>> - several tiddlers eg: >>> - "Go to Mordor" >>> - "Get the Ring" >>> - tag those tiddlers as "task" >>> >>> What you get is a "parent" child relation between "task" = "parent" and >>> "Go .." / "Get .." = "children" >>> >>> I'm using those examples, because you can find exactly that at >>> http://five.tiddlywiki.com >>> So you can open it and see the stuff described below. >>> >>> If you open the tiddler "Go to Mordor" you can see, that it is tagged >>> "task" ... >>> If you click the "task" pill, >>> - You can see all other tiddlers tagged with "task" >>> >>> If you open the "task" tiddler >>> - click the (i) info button >>> - open the "Tagging" tab ... you'll see all tiddlers that are tagged >>> with "task" >>> >>> IMO the mechanism is, (almost) what you described. ... But I think the >>> implementation is different, to what you expect. ... because >>> >>> The "tagging" list is created at runtime. >>> So if you click the "tagging" tab, the TW core searches for all tiddlers >>> that are tagged "task" ... the tiddler named "task" doesn't contain a field >>> "tagging" or in your case "children". >>> >>> IMO adding "parent" and "children" fields (or RDF tiddlers) can be done. >>> But there is a whole lot of "syncing problems" that will pop up. Every time >>> you rename / create / update / delete / import / export ... a tiddler, >>> you'll need to check all tiddlers and keep them in sync. Exactly at that >>> point you create a "real database" behaviour. ... and databases are kind of >>> complicated, highly optimized beasts. ... >>> >>> I think a similar usecase was introduced by Leo at a hangout #19 [1]. >>> IMO if we need a real database behaviour, we should use a real database. >>> May be the storage is not so important, but I think the query language to >>> retrive the data is ... and TW is no database, even if it is quite close :) >>> >>> After the hangout 19 I did stumble upon ArangoDB [2] which imo would be >>> a nice backend for TW5. It supports tiddlers out of the box (key-value >>> store) and it would be possible to create "real" graph indexes with a graph >>> query language. >>> >>> @Jeremy, >>> Did you know ArangoDB? >>> >>> have fun! >>> mario >>> >>> [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYaFsOzXnPY#t=509 >>> [2] http://www.arangodb.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:[email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
