Nice! Thanks Jeremy and Mario for your help. Regards, Jim Weaver
> On Dec 3, 2013, at 4:17 PM, Jeremy Ruston <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Jim > >> On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:51 PM, James Weaver <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> I think that I'm answering my own question here: It seems that a tiddler is >> only a tag when it is tagging a tiddler; it can't be defined as a tag >> explicitly. If this is incorrect, please advise. > > That's correct. > > Tags themselves can be tagged, so you could create tiddlers for all your tags > and tag them with the tag "tag". Then you can get a list of tags with > [tag[tag]]. > > Best wishes > > Jeremy > > >> >> Thanks, >> Jim Weaver >> >> >>> On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 2:39:49 PM UTC-5, James Weaver wrote: >>> Thanks Mario. A hierarchical structure of tags that you described should >>> work for my purposes. I'll need to be able to distinguish between a >>> tiddler that is a tag (used for categorization) and a tiddler that isn't a >>> tag (used for content). I suppose I could do this with a naming >>> convention, as tags are supposed to begin with lower-case, but do you know >>> of other ways? I could use the "tagging" filter, but if a given tag >>> doesn't happen to be tagging tiddlers at a given moment, it seems that it >>> would indicate that it isn't a tag. Hope that makes sense. >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> Jim >>> >>>> On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 1:32:56 PM UTC-5, PMario wrote: >>>> Hi Jim, >>>> >>>> I think what you describe is the standard TW tagging mechanism. >>>> >>>> eg: >>>> >>>> - if you create a tiddler named "task" .. and >>>> - several tiddlers eg: >>>> - "Go to Mordor" >>>> - "Get the Ring" >>>> - tag those tiddlers as "task" >>>> >>>> What you get is a "parent" child relation between "task" = "parent" and >>>> "Go .." / "Get .." = "children" >>>> >>>> I'm using those examples, because you can find exactly that at >>>> http://five.tiddlywiki.com >>>> So you can open it and see the stuff described below. >>>> >>>> If you open the tiddler "Go to Mordor" you can see, that it is tagged >>>> "task" ... >>>> If you click the "task" pill, >>>> - You can see all other tiddlers tagged with "task" >>>> >>>> If you open the "task" tiddler >>>> - click the (i) info button >>>> - open the "Tagging" tab ... you'll see all tiddlers that are tagged >>>> with "task" >>>> >>>> IMO the mechanism is, (almost) what you described. ... But I think the >>>> implementation is different, to what you expect. ... because >>>> >>>> The "tagging" list is created at runtime. >>>> So if you click the "tagging" tab, the TW core searches for all tiddlers >>>> that are tagged "task" ... the tiddler named "task" doesn't contain a >>>> field "tagging" or in your case "children". >>>> >>>> IMO adding "parent" and "children" fields (or RDF tiddlers) can be done. >>>> But there is a whole lot of "syncing problems" that will pop up. Every >>>> time you rename / create / update / delete / import / export ... a >>>> tiddler, you'll need to check all tiddlers and keep them in sync. Exactly >>>> at that point you create a "real database" behaviour. ... and databases >>>> are kind of complicated, highly optimized beasts. ... >>>> >>>> I think a similar usecase was introduced by Leo at a hangout #19 [1]. >>>> IMO if we need a real database behaviour, we should use a real database. >>>> May be the storage is not so important, but I think the query language to >>>> retrive the data is ... and TW is no database, even if it is quite close :) >>>> >>>> After the hangout 19 I did stumble upon ArangoDB [2] which imo would be a >>>> nice backend for TW5. It supports tiddlers out of the box (key-value >>>> store) and it would be possible to create "real" graph indexes with a >>>> graph query language. >>>> >>>> @Jeremy, >>>> Did you know ArangoDB? >>>> >>>> have fun! >>>> mario >>>> >>>> [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYaFsOzXnPY#t=509 >>>> [2] http://www.arangodb.org/ >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TiddlyWiki" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > -- > Jeremy Ruston > mailto:[email protected] > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google > Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/GyRqdjGWM0Y/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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