Hi Ton, Glad to hear you again!
On Friday, May 23, 2014 9:03:28 PM UTC+8, Ton Gerner wrote: > > Hi Vincent > > Sorry i did not respond earlier but I have been busy with upgrading all my > TW5s and customization guides for TW5 to v5.0.12-beta. > No problem. I am also struggling to study the plugin and refreshing mechanism of TW5 and still not quite sure how exactly to port my plugins over yet. > > One issue I had with twve.core/twve.table v3.0.1 was with the SiteSubtitle > of TW; for some reason new text there behaved not normal (sometimes > appeared in 2 - different - places). > Just forget it since with v3.0.2 I don't see that issue anymore. > Great, although I really have no idea what that "not normal" thing is. > > My last remark in my previous post was : "I now will try it in my main > TWclassic." > > I did that but noticed my backstage button had disappeared. I remembered > we have seen this before [1]. > > An empty TW with twve.core/twve.table does show the backstage button, so > it can be one of my plugins is interfering. > The list of my plugins: > Wow, a good list of plugins to test! > > DropDownMenuPlugin > GotoPlugin > ImageSizePlugin > ImportTiddlersPlugin > InlineJavascriptPlugin > ListFiltrPlugin > NestedSlidersPlugin > QuickEditPlugin > QuickNotePlugin > QuickOpenTagPlugin > RenameTagsPlugin > SaveAndReloadMacro > SearchOptionsPlugin > SimpleMessagePlugin > SystemInfoPlugin > TabEditPlugin > TableOfContentsPlugin > TableSortingPlugin_TB > Is this TableSortingPlugin_TB different from TableSortingPlugin? I do have TableSortingPlugin and the *twve* work fine with it, but I don't seem to find the _TB version anywhere. Can you send me a copy of it? This is the one that seems to me most related to tables and I'd like to start with it. > TagSearchPlugin > TagsplorerMacro > TiddlerTweakerPlugin > TiddlersBarPluginMP > TiddlyFileImportr > ToggleTagPlugin > YourSearchPlugin > > TWted (v1.4.6) > TWtable (v1.4.6) > > or > > twve.core.min > twve.table.min > > But that missing backstage button was a minor problem. > Normal table editing was almost not possible. First of all row and column > numbers did not appear when hovering over the table and the extra menu > (row/column handling) did not show either. > When trying to edit a cell, in most cases the tiddler itself showed in - a > strange - edit mode (difficult to describe). > I had the impression it had something to do with the TiddlersBarPlugin > and/or TabEditPlugin, but did not investigate it further. > Then I switched back to TWted (v1.4.6)/TWtable (v1.4.6) to get my TW > working again ;-) > > Today, after installing v3.0.2 a big surprise: no weird behavior anymore, > I could edit a table in the "normal" way. > Hmmm, that could be the fixed bugs related to sorting, I guess. > > But: > * A tiddler without a table is editable: the title and the text (dashed > boxes around title and body when hovering) > > * Not only the table is editable. The title and the body text of a tiddler > (with or without table) can be edited as well and that gives rise to > strange effects. > Well, with *twve.core* all wrappers -- elements containing tiddler content, being normally loaded or <<tabs>>, <<tiddler>>, <<slider>> transcluded -- are *editable in the view mode*, because all the required codes are there in *twve.core*. Those codes are in twve.core because they are closely related to the *transclusion synchronization* features included in the core: both features must understand 1. how to identify the elements holding the content, and 2. how to locate their wiki text, in order to perform their tasks. That means, when I am able to synchronize the transcluded (and normally loaded) content, I am able to edit them in the view mode. I felt strange to disable them since the codes are all there ready to use. But maybe that is bothering you? Maybe I should include options to enable/disable which parts to edit? > Normally you click outside the table to leave edit mode. > Clicking outside the tiddler toe leave title/body text editing works > partly: you have to click to the left or to the right of the tiddler to > leave edit mode. Clicking below the tiddler does nothing. > > > An empty TW with twve.core/twve.table did behave differently: > * A tiddler Test without a table is not editable (not the title, not the > text; no dashed boxes around title and body when hovering > * When trying to edit a tiddler with a table and some text, you can edit > the table and the body text but you *cannot* edit the title. > > But after a reboot, the tiddler Test was editable! The strange thing is > that shadow tiddlers like GettingStarted and MainMenu were not editable. > Still stranger, overwritten shadow tiddlers like SiteTitle and > SitSubtitle, are not editable as well, while new made tiddlers are editable! > Well, I deliberately disabled editing features for shadow tiddlers because I think they are better left alone in the view mode. By "new made" do you mean "new made shadow tiddler"? If so then I need to check... > > Very, very strange. > > Another problem is that tiddlers with tables are not always refreshed (in > my main TW). See images of normal table and table that is not refreshed. > I saw similar results with FoldHeadingsPlugin, does any of your plugins do things like folding/unfolding? If so then I know how to fix it. If not then I need to spend some time... Time to bed, have a nice weekend. Have Fun! Vincent > > Cheers, > > Ton > > [1] https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/0FT6iBneYOk/2Dwr7WHogJ8J > > > On Friday, May 23, 2014 9:51:25 AM UTC+2, Vincent Yeh wrote: > > Ton, > > Glad they worked for you! And since you haven't mentioned any bugs till > now, I'll take it as a good news, and I have one, too. > > Release of v3.0.2. > > 1. Quite some bug fixes and some improvements. See Release Note v3.0.2 > at > TiddlySpace<http://twve.tiddlyspace.com/#%5B%5BRelease%20Note%20v3.0.2%5D%5D>or > > *TiddlySpot* > <http://twve.tiddlyspot.com/#%5B%5BRelease%20Note%20v3.0.2%5D%5D> > 2. Cloned the *twve* page from TiddlySpace to *TiddlySpot* > - I have fixed the *Error in macro *issue with TiddlySpot (see this > thread in TiddlyWiki > Group<https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21topic/tiddlywiki/RQ3TTvTk2MA>), > you can copy the fixed > PasswordOptionsPlugin<http://twve.tiddlyspot.com/#PasswordOptionsPlugin>from > my > twve.tiddlyspot.com. > > Have Fun! > Vincent > > On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 11:32:42 PM UTC+8, Ton Gerner wrote: > > Hi Vincent, > > Your fixes in v3.0.1 work: > > 1) Prettylinks do not add an extra cell and can be edited in the normal > way. > > 2) Options menu works good > > 3) Hovering over GettingStarted doesn't show dotted boundaries and > clicking this tiddler does not give a message anymore. > > I now will try it in my main TWclassic. > > Cheers, > > Ton > > > On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 3:10:43 PM UTC+2, Vincent Yeh wrote: > > Hi Ton, > > It is a good idea to add the Options Menu to the table menu (the hamburger > you said), so I did. Thanks. > > Release of the *twve* v3.0.1, mainly some quick bug fixes. See Release > Note > v3.0.1<http://twve.tiddlyspace.com/#%5B%5BRelease%20Note%20v3.0.1%5D%5D>for > more information. > > Another thing is that I forgot to include the *twve.tablelarge* module in > the Release Note > v3.0.0<http://twve.tiddlyspace.com/#%5B%5BRelease%20Note%20v3.0.0%5D%5D>(now > updated), which offers large table support such as scrollable table > body and scrolling synchronization among all transcluded copies, etc. > > Have Fun! > Vincent > > p.s. Actually the Options Menu was implemented and shows itself at the > top-right corner of the tiddler title. But it is in the twve.extra module > and doesn't help in your case. > > On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:55:32 PM UTC+8, Ton Gerner wrote: > > Hi Vincent, > > On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 11:47:03 AM UTC+2, Vincent Yeh wrote: > > Ton, > > Thanks for the quick test and respond! > > On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 4:34:48 PM UTC+8, Ton Gerner wrote: > > Hi Vincent, > > I am still using the old versions TWted.min_v1.4.6 & TWtable.min_v1.4.6. > Since I am mainly interested in the table editor, I only installed > twve.core v3.0.0 & twve.table v3.0.0 in a fresh TW v2.8.1 (using Windows 7 > 64-bit, Firefox v29.01, and Chrome v34.0.1847.137) and did some quick tests. > > Completely according to Murphy's law, the first test I did went wrong ;-) > > > Hahaha! That's nice! > > > 1) I tested with an available table that contained pretty links in cells. > I think you can imagine what happened: the "|" in the pretty link was seen > as a cell boundary and the row will contain an extra cell. So when editing > you get a cell with e.g. "[[Google" and the next cell with " > http://www.google.com]]"; > > I had never seen this before, so I checked a TW containing the old version > v1.4.6. There it worked "normal". I think you lost a precondition during > refactoring. > > > Yeah, I was wondering why you are having this trouble and I am not, but > soon I found that *I accidentally moved that part of codes into > twve.extra*, which you did not install and I did (and that explains why I > don't have this problem). Sorry and thank you. This is a no-need-to-code > bug and easy to fix: just move that part of codes into either twve.core or > twve.table. I'll fix it tonight. > > > Yeah, that explains it. > > > <blockquote style="margin:0;margin-left > > ... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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