My first reaction to Mat's list was frustration because I think we've discussed almost all of those issues at some length in past hangouts. I guess a lot of those discussions have never been written down in a way that allows other people to see and join in.
My second reaction is that I think that list reflects what you'd find with a lot of open source projects, and particularly ones with our balance of users vs. developers. So, there are other people who have trodden this path before, and we should try to learn from them. Mat's way of putting things in his opening post was pretty brutal but he has a long history with TiddlyWiki (since May 2007 according to the group archive), and has made several tiptop suggestions that I've found very helpful. So I knew where he was coming from. Perhaps the most practical use for this thread may be to discuss strategies for dealing with the concerns that Mat enumerated. I'd be happy to discuss things at the hangout on Tuesday too. There are also some lessons to be learned: Google Groups is pretty terrible for us. As owner of the group I still don't have permission to edit posts; I can only delete them altogether. I'd be in favour of moving more of our project and dev discussions to GitHub Issues. The great advantage there is that we can edit the title and text at the top of the issue to reflect the ongoing discussion. Perhaps we should even consider closing the TiddlyWikiDev group and moving all future discussions to GitHub (I presume we can leave the group accessible in a read-only mode). I've a couple of other specific proposals arising from this discussion, which I shall make the subject of separate posts. Best wishes Jeremy. On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Danielo Rodríguez <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Mat, > > Maybe you did not pretend to offend, but a post full of problems and zero > ways to solve them sounds like complaining. I can't avoid getting > "offended" about some points: > > > >> >> - No quality assurance of add-ons >> >> Since I programmed several plugins and widgets I would like to know which > of them you consider to do not have enough "quality". It took me several > months to figure how TW5 core works and how to program using it. It's a big > amount of work and I still not knowing everything. > >> >> - Lacking documentation >> >> I have to agree with you. I used to complain about this. After several > complaints more I started to write more documentation. > >> >> - The aggregated knowledge from discussions relies on 3d part system >> not optimized for us >> >> I have to agree with you here. Google groups lacks some important > features like editing post. This is useful to make FAQs and list of > resources. > >> >> - Little insight into what attracts new users >> - Little insight of user needs, tw applications, behaviors etc >> >> > If you have ideas about this please share with us. > >> >> - Challenging to get tiddlyverse overview (resources, applications, >> options, services, people...) >> >> I agree. We still need a repository of resources. > >> >> - Demanding learning curve for customization >> >> Everything needs a learning curve for customization advanced use. If you > wan use TW like notepad is quite easy. Do you know how many things you can > do with excel for example? Pivot tables, conditional formatting, importing > data from external sources, macros.... all of them needs a BIG learning > curve. > >> >> - Too few developers (I'm just assuming this is always an issue) >> >> I am one of them. Try to keep us happy :D > -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:[email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
