@Dave I would agree in keeping things as simple as possible when sharing them with others and go crazy when you're at home... - however:
I was one of those kids who loved to play with lego - We didn't have lego at home so when we were out and I got the oppertunity I was totally immersed in playing with lego bricks and forgot everything else... I never had enough time to finish a (lego) project - and I guess I was a very satisfied kid anyway - even if there was no final result... To me TiddlyWiki is like playing with lego. Someone else made the bricks and sometimes I'll have to change them a little or make small clusters/modules to make them fit my initial idea. The point is that I am able to keep track of the initial idea even if some of the bricks are missing or can't be found exactly when I need them... Mat's vision of a "quick note edit template" is a wonderfull challenge - and I personally feel invited to try and see what I can come up with even if I know I am more a member of the "laymans club of happy hobbyists" when it comes to the art of coding... My own follow up on his idea is this: http://kinabog.tiddlyspot.com/ It's probably just me who can see how fantastic it is - and that I had so much fun implementing some of Jed's stuff, Mat's fast new tiddler idea, Matabeles widget, Roma's GSD5, some style/theme tweaks... - and I even made some of it into a plugin with Andreas' Tinka .... (my first one - and *not* anything anyone would need....) - I'm a happy camper :-) I think I get where @Mat is heading with his ideas - and I'd love to see what he ends up with. With the generous help of this community (@Jed in particular) I'm sure there's a lot to be learned about what can be created with the tools already at hand - and what needs to be done to make it even easier for everyone to be able to create their own "Dreammachine" in a TiddlyWiki :-) Cheers Måns Mårtensson Den torsdag den 7. maj 2015 kl. 16.02.30 UTC+2 skrev David Gifford: > > Now Mario, be nice...:-) > > My adaptations tended to be the same way...I would experiment with one > innovation, but then that would morph into a specific vision of an end > product TW, with all kinds of bells and whistles to aid a workflow I had in > my head. > > I think what you are ultimately saying, Mario, and I would agree, is that > he should keep the simple, central innovation of the fast new tiddler > process in one location, teased out, so that it doesn't get overloaded or > crowded out by peripherals, and that he should work toward the specific > vision he has for its use and context, with peripherals, etc, in another > location. > > Dave > > On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 8:08 AM, PMario <pmar...@gmail.com <javascript:>> > wrote: > >> OUCH!!!!! --- Take a break! >> >> Folks, >> I think there's nothing left from the initial idea to have a fast and >> easy way to take *one new note*. >> >> Compare the FastNewTiddler UI with a standard NewTiddler UI. >> You'll see, that it looks very, very similar. ... *but *the "standard >> NewTiddler" works. >> >> Now the FastNewTiddler has a toolbar?!? ... IMO there should be only one >> button. "Done" which closes it. >> >> I was intrigued by the idea, that there should be a fast "throw away >> interface" to create a single new tiddler. If the tiddler is created, the >> UI should go out of my way. >> >> - If the tiddler is created it shows up in the "recent" sidebar. -> done. >> >> - If I want to open this tiddler for refactoring I use the existing UI. >> -> I click it in the sidebar, which opens a standard tiddler UI. -> done >> >> - If I want to edit this new tiddler I click the existing edit button >> from the existing standard UI -> done >> >> >> Now the FastNewTiddler is/should be, what we call in German an "eierlegende >> wollmilchsau <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/eierlegende_Wollmilchsau>". >> And now it should become the "Transclude first paragraph eierlegende >> wollmilchsau >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/lN3GO7AIsoc>" .. >> >> Sorry Mat I don't want to be harsh, but I think you get the gist. I still >> think the original idea is great! ... IMO there is a reason, why you get >> overwhelmed. ... >> >> Please step back and have a look at the big picture. The "eierlegende >> wollmilchsau" is an illusion! >> >> What really works is "separation of concerns" - "Do one thing well and >> combine them later" (That's how most things in TW work;) >> >> Quoting from wikipedia >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_concerns> >> >> The value of separation of concerns is simplifying development and >>> maintenance of computer programs. When concerns are well-separated, >>> individual sections can be reused, as well as developed and updated >>> independently. Of special value is the ability to later improve or modify >>> one section of code without having to know the details of other sections, >>> and without having to make corresponding changes to those sections. >>> >> >> Sorry I'm not really sure what >> http://fastnewtiddler.tiddlyspot.com/#Todo%20%28please%20help%29 should >> do. But imo everything it proposes is already working at tiddlywiky.com >> out of the box. Just the UI is different and imo more confusing. >> >> just my 2 cents. >> >> have fun! >> mario >> PS: Damn it. 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