On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 12:30:38 PM UTC-7, Pete Johnson wrote: > > Tiddlywiki already comes *"barebones."* >
The ongoing discussion suggests that some people think otherwise. As Tobias noted, "bare-bones" possibly means quite different things to different people. I think this discussion (and any actionable items that result) is part of what has made TiddlyWiki so versatile. > Jeremy produces an amazing free product. > Yes, he does. > For those who don't like to advance, they can keep copies of empty > Tiddlywikis of the versions they like. > "like to"... "want to"... "need to".... pick any verb that fits your situation... No one forces anyone to upgrade to the latest Tiddlywiki. > The discussion about what a "barebones" TiddlyWiki could/should be has little to do with upgrading. It's more about how to package the underlying the functionality TW core so it can be used in other scenarios, independent of the default interface delivered with the standard distro. > Browsers change. Browser makers change Javascript engines. Browsers don't > stand still. > Yes. The technology that enables TiddlyWiki to work changes over time. That is one of the primary reasons that TW5 was created... the old TiddlyWiki "Classic" codebase was based on 2005-era methods and script engines, and it was becoming increasingly difficult to maintain because of "browser drift". A fresh start, using "modern" coding methods and functionality was the inevitable response. > Jeremy ought to stay focused on the code that makes Tiddlywiki work with > respect to the latest browsers and the latest browser versions. > Currently, Tiddlywiki has a major error when trying to render with the > latest version of Chrome through http. All should rather see Jeremy work to > fix those kinds of errors rather than appeasing one-off requests. > I've written about it on the forum here: Internal Javascript Error and the > Latest Version of Chrome > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/TiddlyWiki/IH_Qz5dnHFg>. > I have not been able to reproduce the error you reported. I am using Chrome Version 45.0.2454.99 m (under Windows 7), and I visited http://TiddlyWiki.com, and there was no error. Please note that I am not disputing that you are seeing an error message... just that it isn't reproducible for everyone, so it might not be as much of a "major error" as you have suggested. As far as Jeremy "appeasing one-off requests"... that rarely happens. Jeremy is famously resistant to "putting stuff into the core" just to support a single use-case. However, sometimes a single use-case can suggest an area of functionality that has more general applicability, and Jeremy decides to direct some of his attention there. With regard to the "browser drift" problem noted above, that is only ONE of the many areas of TiddlyWiki that need attention. Other major areas include: * improvements/additions to core functionality * improvements/additions to baseline interface * efficiency/performance issues * plugin installation/distribution mechanisms * documentation * etc. Bottom line, while you might feel that fixing the error you encountered should be "priority #1", there are numerous other ongoing efforts that are arguably of greater impact to more people. Of course, we *do* want to figure out what it happening for you (and *possibly* others), but try to be a bit more patient and look to the TiddlyWiki community itself for help. If the problem exists for some people but not others, perhaps we can narrow down the conditions under which it occurs by having more people test under a variety of platforms and configurations. enjoy, -e Eric Shulman ELS Design Studios TiddlyTools - "Small Tools for Big Ideas!" InsideTiddlyWiki: The Missing Manuals YOUR DONATIONS ARE VERY IMPORTANT! HELP ME TO HELP YOU - MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO MY "TIP JAR"... http://TiddlyTools.github.com/fundraising.html#MakeADonation Professional TiddlyWiki Consulting Services... Analysis, Design, and Custom Solutions: http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#Contact -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/d359e61d-f2f3-4473-947e-f60ebff0807e%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
