Hi 

I have published my efforts to Github via a pull request to the Master 
repo: https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2037

We can now continue our discussion over there and, I hope, polish up the 
code :-)

Some help with documentation would be welcomed (anybody?) -- not my 
strongpoint. I have written some documentation to explain the basics, which 
I have made available here <http://listops.tiddlyspot.com/>.

regards

On Saturday, 17 October 2015 17:11:53 UTC+2, Tobias Beer wrote:
>
> Hi Metabele,
>  
>
>> I have not managed to track down where in the core uniqueness gets 
>> imposed. As Jed points out, the StingifyList function is one place, but 
>> there appear to be others. An index in a data dictionary can be filled with 
>> multiple item values, however, when operations are carried out on that 
>> list, some operations impose uniqueness whilst others do not.
>>
>
> It's mostly in the tag handling... which is independent of any new 
> list-handling capacities, possibly overlapping in capabilities / codebase.
> Nothing forces new code to make use of stringifyList. In fact, I just 
> realized that being to quick about it means trouble.
> For example, using the filter parameter with the list widget returnes 
> what? A stringified list!! Well, what if I do *limit[1]* hoping to get 
> just a title, I won't.
> So, I made a pull request that remedies the situation where I do not want 
> any stringifyList of the filter output, but a plain string instead:
>
> *#2035 parameter "format" for set widget *
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2035
>  
>
>> My widgets do not impose uniqueness, other than when core functions are 
>> implicitly or explicitly called which do so. However, I have made little 
>> effort to handle multiple instances of a value -- my filters will always 
>> use the first instance of an item as the marker.
>>
>
> Obviously this is necessary so long as one cannot more specific about it, 
> perhaps referencing a numerical index at that point rather than a named 
> element.
>
> Once the core has been modified to correctly handle multiple instances of 
>> the same item, filters can be modified or new filters written to handle the 
>> new usage cases.
>>
>
> I'm not exactly sure which filters are greedy this way or which allow 
> duplicates.
> A quick test has me think filters always return a SET of tiddlers, never a 
> list (allowing duplicates), e.g try:
>
> {{{ foo foo foo }}}
>  
> Now this means that we are practically barred from using filters whenever 
> we want to do list management that does allow duplicates.
> It makes sense under the assumption that filters act on tiddler titles, 
> but what about those that don't?
>
> Currently, I believe that list management (even in its current form) 
>> should be brought into operation as soon as possible. This will enable most 
>> usage cases for user lists, and experience will be gained in the handling 
>> of lists before finalising their management.
>>
>
> Surely, automating stuff via lists is one thing that makes all the power 
> of TiddlyWiki.
> The more capabilities we get there, the easier things will be and
> the broader the general spectrum of things that can be done.
>
> I have written a couple of new filters to further extend what is possible 
>> with list management -- a couple more are necessary (especially a 
>> 'sortby[]' filter -- that is: sort a list of items in the order of another 
>> list.) I have also added an '$index=' attribute to the ActionListops widget 
>> to enable manipulation of data dictionary indexes (and modified a couple of 
>> my filters to work with them.)
>>
>
> Fantastic, looking forward to seeing that in action.
> Perhaps, at some point, I don't know if you do, but if you get to push 
> that to some GitHub repo, it would be easier to communicate around the code.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> — tb
>

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