Hi again, Would you please be able to give me feedback on this approach?
https://github.com/chris2fr/tiddlywiki-as-plugin It is about using the plugin mechanism to try to satisfy George Geek and perhaps Tobias Beer. It works as an export filter. Thanks, Christopher On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 11:18:33 PM UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote: > > Hi Jeremy, > >> Currently, we are limited in leveraging this by a sophisticated >> plugin-mechanism that defies a simple "reuse tidbits" approach and forces a >> "publish a versioned bundle of codebits and supporting tids for >> distribution". >> >> I’d like to understand the issues you see with the current plugin >> mechanism. Are you envisaging a specific alternative? >> > > Thanks for asking. Not sure about the specifics, the tenets of > improvements might be: > > 1. easy bundling of tiddlers > - come to think of it, including plugins > 2. for reuse in a bundled manner > - meaning: as shadows (compare: inclusion on TiddlySpace) > > The plugin mechanism does cater for (some of?) that scenario, only the > means to use it for this purpose are possibly limited to selected > individuals who know the how to's. To me, the goal would be indeed to > simplify this "packaging" process and thus allow reusing tiddler packages > in different context, as if plugins (or then actual plugins), and possibly > even containing not only content but also structure, even functionality... > in short: whatever ...could be my master template packaging all kinds of > things, reused throughout my wikis. Could be a "my docs package". Could be > a "my todo setup" containing the basic scaffolding for my to do list > workflow... however, on a much more "simply create and use a basic package" > level rather than a "figure out how to package and manage plugins" level, > with versioning, naming conventions or whatever may be recommended for > tried and true plugins, rather than "simple bundles". > > There are currently two ways to “reuse tidbits”: a JSON file or a plugin. >> The JSON file is just about the simplest thing it could be: a nice simple >> plain text rendering of the source of a group of tiddlers, and is easy to >> work with in other tools. The plugin mechanism introduces just enough >> “sophistication” to satisfy their purpose: to be an *updatable* reusable >> tidbit. >> > > So, yes, the way how plugins work once they exist is great. Just the way > to create one is not as simple as it could be to allow for a more user > centric packaging of whatever tidbits into bundles. In fact, I'd even shy > away from using the name "plugin", as it comes with the connotation of > being a developed thing, coded of sorts. Psychologically alone, simply > packing up tiddlers into reusable bundles (being shadows in a target wiki) > would sound much simpler than being the author of a plugin and all the > presumed responsibility one might assume comes with such a position. It > would make packaging a common task and process rather than a by default > advanced, elevated one. > > >> Is it just that the support for building plugins in the browser is >> primitive? >> > > I guess so. By default, such a packer would create the most simplistic > package conceivable, in terms of setup and required data. (Right now I > don't even know the full requirements for plugins, tbh. (without > researching) ...and then perhaps an "advanced options" panel that can be > toggled so as to specify any other (plugin) parameters that may be needed / > used / specified, perhaps with a help / info bubble that explains what a > given metadata-field is for. > > Pragmatically speaking: possibly a streamlined Tinka that... > > - makes tiddler selection as easy as possible > - currently, selecting tiddlers is by individually ticking off > checkboxes next to titles matching a manually entered filter > - only asks to specify the most basic details required for packaging, > leaving out everything that truly is not > - in fact, could be just a title and nothing but > - avails the complete / advanced options in an expandable section > > Best wishes, > > — tb > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/9d8bddf7-0c08-49c7-96a1-63ec3ebcb797%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
