Hi Jeremy,
I get the point. The counterargument may be that by slicing all down to
tiddlers, things can accidentally be broken in the next step. Because
you eventually won't remember all places a tiddler is transcludes into.
As a slice this context can be seen at once. That is why I feel more
secure about slices in this aspect.
Kind regards Jan
Am 08.06.2016 um 15:40 schrieb Jeremy Ruston:
It’s clear that users want to be able to write/paste long passages of
text into a tiddler and then individually address sections (or
slices/chunks). In practice, I think that means that anything that one
can presently do to an entire tiddler needs to be possible with a
slice: transclusion, linking, searching, etc.
That means that the system has to deal with two levels of granularity:
slices and entire tiddlers. Internally, everywhere that we manipulate
tiddlers we’d need to support slices too.
In fact, slices would become the fundamental unit; an entire tiddler
would be a special case of a slice covering the entire tiddler.
That’s where things get interesting: now we’ve redefined a slice to be
a tiddler (which is just what we call a fundamental discrete unit of
content in TiddlyWiki). Now, for performance reasons, we’d want to
avoid repeatedly scanning tiddlers to extract the slices; instead,
we’d want to store the individual slices separately so that we can
efficiently address them as needed.
You can probably see where this goes: we’ve just ended up *renaming*
“tiddlers” to “slices”, and adding facilities to deal with sequences
of slices as discrete entities called “tiddlers”.
That’s pretty much where we are today: it’s easy to combine several
tiddlers to make them appear to be a single tiddler: we use
transclusion, or macros based on transclusion like the TOC macro.
We’ve still got the problem of dealing with long passages of text:
that’s where the text-slicer plugin comes in, showing one way that
these long texts can be split into chunks, and the chunks recombined
in flexible ways.
So, my position isn’t ideological, nor am I wilfully ignoring feedback
from users. But I am asserting that from an engineering perspective
it’s cleaner and more efficient to be dealing with a single
fundamental entity, and to approach the original problem from the
other end: by splitting and recombining.
Best wishes
Jeremy
On 8 Jun 2016, at 14:27, Jed Carty <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I am a bit stuck at the moment because while I don't want to
discourage any exploration into different ways of using TiddlyWiki
there is a TW5 way of doing what you are talking about, which is to
use either more tiddlers or fields which you then place wherever you
want them using transclusions.
Using templates you could have the anchor tag part of the
transclusion so you could navigate to a spot in an open tiddler. If
you want to be able to both open a tiddler and navigate to some spot
in that tiddler than we would need a more complex macro but it may be
able to be done using only wikitext and simple html. Or we may need
to make an action widget that does the same action as clicking on a
normal link.
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