Lost Admin, Would you consider possibly hosting your work TiddlyWikis on Dropbox and accessing them through the browser this way? Or are you not allowed to for some reason? Thanks, -Arlen
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Arlen Beiler <[email protected]> wrote: > I think you may have mentioned this before. This is what I was thinking of > when I wrote the above. Did you try installing TiddlyChrome at all? > > I would also be interested to hear if there are others in this situation > and what you are able to do about it. > > Mark S, I would be interested to hear your thoughts on what I proposed in > my last email as well. It is becoming harder and harder for browser > extensions and apps to do anything with the file system, so we will have to > see what becomes of TiddlyChrome. But running a localhost portable server > (not TiddlyWiki on Node, but a custom server) would easily get around that > problem. And it could work for most situations. But I would love to hear > your thoughts. > > Thanks, > -Arlen > > On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Lost Admin <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> In the extremely locked down corporate environment I work in, TiddlyWiki >> itself is technically okay because it is 'just an html file'. Node.js >> (node.exe) is not okay because it's not on the approved application list. >> Firefox is not okay unless there is a good business need for it (basically >> only the app testing folks and devs get it to make sure the web apps work >> for customers). Chrome (and IE) are pre-installed on the locked down >> desktop image. >> >> Interestingly, Chrome Extensions from the chrome store are okay (at least >> the hey-you-were-naughty warning tool didn't yell at me). But google docs >> and gmail aren't okay. >> >> On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 12:26:13 PM UTC-4, Arlen Beiler wrote: >>> >>> Ok, what if I would write a new script for node that would basically be >>> a static file server? When you type in localhost it would show you a list >>> of directories to choose from. Once you open one of those directories it >>> would show you all the files and folders in it and allow you to open any >>> one that you wanted. Now if you opened a TiddlyWiki Five file, it would >>> detect that and load a helper file that would pose as the TiddlyFox plugin >>> and send the saved file back to the server. The server would save this file >>> into the directory and even save a backup in some place of your choosing. >>> >>> In order to use NodeJS on Windows you have to be able to execute the >>> node.exe file that you can download from nodejs.org. It is not an >>> installation, it is the actual node executable. I don't know how other >>> operating systems are but they should be similar (well, maybe not MAC, I >>> don't know). But don't most computers run windows? 50% run windows 7 and >>> like another almost 40% run windows 10 if I remember right. In a corporate >>> environment you may not be able to always do this because of extremely >>> locked down environments, but it doesn't require any installation or >>> administrator password. In a corporate environment where you cannot do >>> that, I don't know if you would be allowed to install TiddlyChrome or >>> TiddlyFox plugins either. So we fall back to IE, which I am not familiar >>> with, but there again you may not be able to do much in extremely >>> restricted corporate environments. >>> >>> As far as doing this on mobile, it would be a lot easier to make an app >>> that can do this than it is for desktop browsers. Please check out >>> AndTidWiki if you're interested. >>> >>> Would that be an option? >>> >>> The charm of a single-file, no-install, runs-everywhere solution would >>>> be gone. >>> >>> >>> Is this single-file, no-install, runs-everywhere solution available in >>> the extremely restricted corporate environments that I am describing? You >>> still have read-everywhere, and you still have the download saver most >>> times. >>> >>> Thoughts, >>> -Arlen >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 11:30 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> This. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 9:26:24 AM UTC-5, Mark S. wrote: >>>>> >>>>> TW on node.js doesn't serve images. The fact that node.js can serve >>>>> images is totally irrelevant until someone writes a version of TW on >>>>> node.js that does. >>>>> >>>>> The thing is, if you start having to run a server, you no longer have >>>>> a simple solution. In fact, you could run any of a half dozen wikis or >>>>> content managers which would all have true databases and virtually >>>>> unlimited size allowances. The charm of a single-file, no-install, >>>>> runs-everywhere solution would be gone. >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 6:59:25 AM UTC-7, Arlen Beiler wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Node serves images. Chrome apps might be able to as well if done >>>>>> right, but never tried. Any server-type solution will be able to serve >>>>>> images. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 9:49 AM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Much of the world spends their computing times on tablets and smart >>>>>>> phones. Some models can run a terminal (mine can't) if you want to >>>>>>> spend a >>>>>>> lot of time fiddling with that sort of thing -- but by then you no >>>>>>> longer >>>>>>> have a simple, easy to use turnkey solution. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It still doesn't address the images problem which is a non-starter >>>>>>> for me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Mark >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 6:43:11 AM UTC-7, Arlen Beiler wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is true, but on windows it is very easy to run a portable >>>>>>>> version, and may be on Linux as well, I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> covers most of our users, though I realize it doesn't cover everyone. >>>>>>>> But >>>>>>>> isn't that already a problem with TiddlyFox and TiddlyChrome? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 9:14 AM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If TW on node.js served up images and other files, that might be >>>>>>>>> almost acceptable. Of course, you would still have problems when away >>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>> your home node.js server. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 4:39:49 AM UTC-7, Arlen Beiler wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If someone knew how to do it, they would have. My TiddlyChrome >>>>>>>>>> plugin is the easiest way that I know of for Google Chrome. One >>>>>>>>>> thing I >>>>>>>>>> have not explored is whether I can have the user select a folder and >>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>> edit any file in that folder. Other than that (which is a good >>>>>>>>>> option) I >>>>>>>>>> don't know of any way to save in Chrome. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> However, "Never say it can't be done. Someone might actually >>>>>>>>>> believe you." This is so true when it comes to technology. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now the best option I see outside of chrome would be to run a >>>>>>>>>> node store.js file in a certain folder and it would serve that >>>>>>>>>> folder on >>>>>>>>>> localhost and allow saving. That would work in any browser and would >>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>> fine in a localhost or local network environment. I haven't taken >>>>>>>>>> the time >>>>>>>>>> to put that together yet, but it is very possible. It would work >>>>>>>>>> identical >>>>>>>>>> to how my current https://twcloud.github.io/tw5-dropbox/ works, >>>>>>>>>> possibly and could also be configured to do automatic backups. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Those are my thoughts. >>>>>>>>>> -Arlen >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Never say it can't be done. Someone might actually believe you. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 12:04 PM, @TiddlyTweeter < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Firefox looks like its chosen to die for a while. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Its userbase is shrinking month by month. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Its ALREADY a minority report. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In November this year its goes over to WebExtensions. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> By that time how will it differ from Chrome with market share >>>>>>>>>>> already? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Would it be best if TiddlyWiki could have an OFFICIAL add-on to >>>>>>>>>>> save to at least one browser easily? 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