TiddlyTweeter et al,
> Noted. I apologise for referring to it a few times as "Retired". I > genuinely formed the idea that TiddlyServer was its nemesis. I had formed that opinion as well based on comments in one of the last TiddlyWiki hangouts about TiddlyDesktop. There was a TiddlyServer version 1 that was similar to TiddlyDesktop I am told. Thus mine was named version 2. I don't know why you couldn't use TiddlyServer 2 to build a new TiddlyDesktop 2, except that it doesn't quite have the same functionality yet. They would basically perform the same function. I would be happy to work with any developers who want to do something like this, or contribute ideas. At some point, TiddlyServer is probably going to get an admin panel. That is REALLY INTERESTING COMMENT. I do not get this GG through Email. To > me IT IS A FORUM. I get *these* GG through my email, where it is conveniently grouped by thread and tagged according which GG it originates from. However I am probably one of the biggest culprits when it comes to using regular for dev talk. I try to keep it separate, but sometimes I forget. I've also become pretty experienced at figuring out which threads are of interest to me (esp. design discussions) and which are out of my field (anything with filters or wikitext). Gmail tells me how many emails came in for that category since I last checked, so I can pretty well make sure I don't miss anything I'm interested in. Then, of course, I can search for any mention of a certain term, such as TiddlyServer, right in my inbox. > * There’s often a feeling that making changes to tiddlywiki.com isn’t > practical, which I think is why we’re discussing using pinned threads to > solve problems that should really be solved on the main site. I’m very > much open to contributions that make changes, but those contributions have > to happen… I usually feel this way as well. Although I probably shouldn't. Now that I have the tools I need to easily clone and commit (GitHub Desktop), it should make it easier. I just have to look up what exactly to edit. To kick off, for a long time my ambition for migrating from Google Groups > has been to eat our own dog food and move to a TiddlyWiki-based discussion > board... There's a lot of work between here and there. TiddlyWiki hasn't yet seen a solution that scales well no matter the size. And this Google Group generates a lot of content. I really feel like we need a wiki where some of us who want to document stuff can do so. We already have Wikibooks available. Github wiki could work but is not as easy to organize nicely. We have reddit wiki. And we could use TiddlyWiki for a community wiki. I feel like I'm getting close to that point with TiddlyServer and CardServe (in the works), but I have no idea what Jeremy has up his sleeve. That would not need to scale nearly as much as a message board or forum would anyway. Arlen On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:01 AM, @TiddlyTweeter <tiddlytwee...@assays.tv> wrote: > Ciao Jeremy & tutti, > > Jeremy Ruston wrote: >> >> To kick off, for a long time my ambition for migrating from Google Groups >> has been to eat our own dog food and move to a TiddlyWiki-based discussion >> board... >> > > Brilliant. The only problem is the starving dog :-). The downside is > whilst we wait *Rover has a bit of a lean time* :-). > > >> Josiah’s original question was whether it was worth keeping the >> TiddlyWikiDocs and TiddlyWikiDev groups because they seem peripheral... >> >> I’m not sure that I can see any case for closing them. >> > > Actually I agree--but weakly. Meaning, I don't think it does harm having > them. But I still don't think it adds anything. For the life of me I can't > find a single post on TiddlyWikiDev that I haven't seen the like of in the > TiddlyWiki GG. And TiddlyWikiDocs is largely unused. > > >> ... a critical thing is that in a classical open source project these are >> mailing lists, and not forums. >> > > That is REALLY INTERESTING COMMENT. I do not get this GG through Email. To > me IT IS A FORUM. > > Because I view it as an online forum, maybe you can see now why I attach > more relevance to Pinned threads etc than someone who gets it all through > email. > > I think its important to understand that GG is NOT just a mailing list. > This has some bearing on current issues. > > >> ... I am preparing an update for TiddlyDesktop with the latest version of >> nw.js, so that will remain an option for Firefox refugees >> > > Noted. I apologise for referring to it a few times as "Retired". I > genuinely formed the idea that TiddlyServer was its nemesis. > > >> * ... Stack Exchange could only host a component of our online community >> ... >> > > Agree. StackExchange, also, I find, illustrates a negative "numbers game". > The very robust TW community still has trouble there because of our low > numbers. That makes it hard to get momentum to get it to work. So, in that > sense, we are victims of its restrictive volume rules. > > >> * Josiah’s comments about "HERE IS THE SCREENPLAY MAKER" & "THERE IS THE >> BRILLIANT GTD SYSTEM” suggest that we’ve not done a good job of >> communicating the purpose of “editions” of TiddlyWiki. The intention is >> precisely as described: a series of canned, off-the-shelf starter wikis for >> various specific purposes. The presentation isn’t good at the moment but >> that particular wheel has been invented... >> > > I think this is quite a complex issue. I'm as much as fault as anyone for > not ever having publicly released anything. I got touched with DIY-itis, so > nothing I ever make is good enough--yet--yet. > > It's an issue I hope we can collectively consider more. I'm convinced > there is great work in the wings that if it were more visible would help > newbies grasp what TW can do for them. > > >> * Josiah suggests catering for the needs of newbies to TiddlyWiki is with >> a dedicated discussion group ... it’s even more important that we cater for >> newbies at tiddlywiki.com. >> > > One small point on this. The BRIDGE between GG & tiddlywiki.com is > perhaps not quite as clear as it could be on the GG end. > > For instance, the header for the group does not give the address of > tiddlywiki.com . And there is not a single pinned thread saying WELCOME > in the GG group that points back to tiddlywiki.com for beginners. > > >> * There’s often a feeling that making changes to tiddlywiki.com isn’t >> practical, which I think is why we’re discussing using pinned threads to >> solve problems that should really be solved on the main site. I’m very >> much open to contributions that make changes, but those contributions have >> to happen… >> > > Yes. I think part of this is there is no real clear BRIDGE mechanism > between the two to clarify (a) HOW to do it; (b) WHAT is valuable to prep, > what is NEEDED. Its pretty obvious that a LOT of things written into this > GG daily are proto-documentation. But some mechanism is needed to point to > the valuable ones. Its erroneous to believe people will point to > themselves--so I think one needs a thread to PROMOTE THIS to list things > worth working up into documentation. I just don't believe good docs arise > from nowhere. It needs a framework of intent & need. > > Best wishes > Josiah > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/ms > gid/tiddlywiki/0ec6604d-0c8a-40b2-b897-735753b9bf9e%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/0ec6604d-0c8a-40b2-b897-735753b9bf9e%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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