Again, thanks to everyone for contributing to another interesting thread. To kick off, for a long time my ambition for migrating from Google Groups has been to eat our own dog food and move to a TiddlyWiki-based discussion board. Part of the motivation is that I believe we could build a tool that supports ordinary back-and-forth threaded discussion, but also adds features to enable community members to refactor/reindex/retag/remix posts to make them logically arranged and easy to find. I parrot that the purpose of TiddlyWiki is to make information reusable by chopping it up into chunks and weaving those chunks into a multiplicity of narrative sequences, and that’s pretty much what I see needed here.
Josiah’s original question was whether it was worth keeping the TiddlyWikiDocs and TiddlyWikiDev groups because they seem peripheral. The origins are that we created those two groups in response to the community feeling that those topics were crowding out the main group, and putting off newbies due to their complexity. I’m not sure that I can see any case for closing them. Having topic-specific mailing lists is common amongst open source projects. The problems, such as they are, are easily understood: people can have difficulty picking the right group for their post, and threads can drift between topics. For me, a critical thing is that in a classical open source project these are mailing lists, and not forums. The great advantage of mailing lists is that they are delivered via push to a single place (my inbox); with forums users need to visit each one to find the latest activity (unless they are sophisticated enough to use an RSS reader). Thus, for people like me who prefer to participate with discussion groups via email there’s very little cost to being subscribed to a low traffic group. I do appreciate that for people reading via the web interface it’s a little harder, but not much; Google Groups shows a count of unread posts in the groups to which you are subscribed. Beyond Josiah’s original question there were some other parts of the thread I’d like to pick up: * Firstly, TiddlyDesktop isn’t dead. It’s just that I’ve lost some enthusiasm for it because of the feedback that it wasn’t as good as their regular browser (in terms of spell checking etc). My worry has been that TiddlyDesktop development could degenerate into endlessly chasing end user browser features. Then Arlen started TiddlyServer which does an awful lot of the things that I was interested in exploring with TiddlyDesktop... * Nonetheless, I am preparing an update for TiddlyDesktop with the latest version of nw.js, so that will remain an option for Firefox refugees * As I understand it, the TiddlyWiki Stack Exchange site couldn’t really be a substitute for the general TiddlyWiki discussion group because Stack Exchange is ruthlessly focussed on the Q&A format. At least when they started, they discouraged free-wheeling discussion and focussed on asking and answering questions. Unless that’s changed, Stack Exchange could only host a component of our online community * Josiah’s comments about "HERE IS THE SCREENPLAY MAKER" & "THERE IS THE BRILLIANT GTD SYSTEM” suggest that we’ve not done a good job of communicating the purpose of “editions” of TiddlyWiki. The intention is precisely as described: a series of canned, off-the-shelf starter wikis for various specific purposes. The presentation isn’t good at the moment but that particular wheel has been invented... * Josiah suggests catering for the needs of newbies to TiddlyWiki is with a dedicated discussion group. While a dedicated group could be useful, I think it’s even more important that we cater for newbies at tiddlywiki.com <http://tiddlywiki.com/>. It’s actually quite a dedicated newbie who gets from tiddlywiki.com <http://tiddlywiki.com/> to the point of finding the discussion groups * There’s often a feeling that making changes to tiddlywiki.com <http://tiddlywiki.com/> isn’t practical, which I think is why we’re discussing using pinned threads to solve problems that should really be solved on the main site. I’m very much open to contributions that make changes, but those contributions have to happen… * The proposal has come up of migrating from Google Groups to another bit of forum software. One problem is that I don’t see any forum software that really moves significantly beyond Google Groups. Things like Discourse are pretty old-fashioned and traditional. But in any event, any move needs to consider who’s going to host it, who’s going to pay for it, who’s going to ensure backups are taken etc. It is more than just choosing and deploying software to a server. I have some thoughts for where we might go from here: * We need to get to the point where a bigger team in the community can update tiddlywiki.com <http://tiddlywiki.com/> with links to new examples, plugins etc so that we spread the workload * We need to move the TiddlyWiki5 repo from my personal GitHub account to https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/TiddlyWiki5 <https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/TiddlyWiki5>. That will enable me to add others in the community to help manage issues and PRs * We need to make it easier for people to contribute editions and plugins into a central register or library Part of the solution to some of that might lie with the work I’ve been doing on Xememex; we could be thinking about a community wiki for working on the documentation… Best wishes Jeremy. > On 20 Sep 2017, at 22:15, @TiddlyTweeter <tiddlytwee...@assays.tv > <mailto:tiddlytwee...@assays.tv>> wrote: > > Its here: https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/ > <https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/> ... and Riz is doing a few posts > again after his resurrection from wage slavery & pissed-offness at the state > of the world... > > On Wednesday, 20 September 2017 22:57:47 UTC+2, Arlen Beiler wrote: > So how do I sign up for the Reddit group and actually start using it? > > On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:39 PM, @TiddlyTweeter <tiddly...@assays.tv > <javascript:>> wrote: > I totally agree. AND disagree. BEFORE tiddlywiki.com > <http://tiddlywiki.com/> how about PINNING here? The problem with talking > about tiddlywiki.com <http://tiddlywiki.com/> is its one step too far away > from anyone but @Jermolene doing anything. Like its "over there that it gets > done" (by who?). > > The issue, at root is about MAKING A DECISION amongst those who would do it > THEN LOBBY @Jermolene to get it moved on. IMO, I think PINNED threads here in > GG could be a way to develop such material in an incremental manageable > fashion. > > Best wishes > Josiah > > On Wednesday, 20 September 2017 22:22:46 UTC+2, ste...@gmail.com <> wrote: > On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 1:47:21 PM UTC+2, Mat wrote: > > I can see an argument for adding more FAQ type docs to tiddlywiki.com > <http://tiddlywiki.com/>. That is the minimalist way, ie a <<link-list > "Basics">> or similar. > > I don't know how often this has been discussed already, but tiddlywiki.com > <http://tiddlywiki.com/> could also use more examples (e. g. for the usage of > macros, widgets, filters etc.) Examples are often the easiest way to > understand new concepts. 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