Josiah, To add to your observations and in no way detract, sometimes we need to widen and make a solution more sophisticated, to make it simpler to use, It is a balancing act that anyone who knows the details will have difficulty understanding what it is to be a naive newbie. Perhaps we could recruit newbies to be part of a documented install process.
Perhaps from TiddlyWIki.com Regards 'Tony On Sunday, October 8, 2017 at 2:52:10 AM UTC+11, @TiddlyTweeter wrote: > > Ciao Arlen > > Its an interesting discussion. > > The thing I want to underline is difference between the AIMS of different > kinds of users. > > I do NOT find it a problem the whole thing it can potentially do IS > under-documented. Why? Because I'm not trying to do anything other than > use it to save. And previously we worked through many details of how to do > that here in GG. Its pretty clear now how to set it up (though maybe needs > bringing together & written up tighter sometime?). > > When I have my "get-on-with-it" hat on (I have to get something written by > Thursday etc.) I'm NOT interested in anything other than being able to save > TW seamlessly--which TiddlyServer(Lite) does. And special because it DOES > THAT other things don't. > > I already had auto-backup running for years so that addition adds nothing > practical for me. > > I think my broader question is actually about what is the MOST MINIMAL > install needed to let you save TW? I.e. a VERSION as NARROW as possible for > that purpose. > > I think your interest is about how to widen it up. Its that very liberal, > truly generous widening that I feel for idiots like me might be confusing. > And its around that that I find the naming confusing--many things start to > blur. > > Best wishes > Josiah > > On Saturday, 7 October 2017 17:01:28 UTC+2, Arlen Beiler wrote: >> >> Hi TiddlyTweeter, >> >> >>> The point is this ... FUNCTIONALLY I'm a user who downloaded the >>> "Bundled" (non-npm) version to be an alternative "TiddlyWiki-saver" to >>> TiddlyFox. Nothing more. And I had no idea it did more than that. IF it has >>> additional backup options then I'd need clearer documentation of that. I >>> might use them, though I backup using normal backup software. >> >> >> Everything I've ever said about TiddlyServer applies equally to the >> "Bundled" (non-npm) version and the "Source Code" (npm ) version *after >> you run "npm install" on the npm version.* >> >> "npm install" pulls in TiddlyWiki from NPM, whereas the bundled version >> already has tiddlywiki from npm included. >> >> If all you use it for is saving, that's fine. The NodeJS version of >> TiddlyWiki, and thus TiddlyServer, has some useful features, but they are >> not yet well documented. That was the whole point of making TiddlyServer, >> was to allow NodeJS TiddlyWiki data folders (there are a couple examples in >> editions) to be mounted, but it combined several other things that have >> been requested on this GG as well, such as the ability to serve static >> files alongside the TiddlyWiki server, and of course saving single-file >> TiddlyWikis. >> >> I am currently trying to make the configuration more user-friendly as >> well. And yes, I do need better documentation :) I'm thankful for those of >> you who have taken up the slack in figuring it out and helping others >> figure it out, including your help @TiddlyTweeter. >> >> If you want more information on using the NodeJS version of TiddlyWiki, >> you can check out these links, but I digress. What TiddlyServer does is >> mount TiddlyWiki Folders (aka data folders) at a path so they can be >> edited, just like the server command. Under the hood, it actually uses the >> same code as the server command. >> >> - http://tiddlywiki.com/#TiddlyWiki%20on%20Node.js >> - http://tiddlywiki.com/#ServerCommand >> - http://tiddlywiki.com/#Installing%20TiddlyWiki%20on%20Node.js >> - http://tiddlywiki.com/#TiddlyWikiFolders >> >> Arlen >> >> On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 8:53 AM, @TiddlyTweeter <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Ciao Arlen >>> >>> I probably don't understand my own question :-). >>> >>> The point is this ... FUNCTIONALLY I'm a user who downloaded the >>> "Bundled" (non-npm) version to be an alternative "TiddlyWiki-saver" to >>> TiddlyFox. Nothing more. And I had no idea it did more than that. IF it has >>> additional backup options then I'd need clearer documentation of that. I >>> might use them, though I backup using normal backup software. >>> >>> I think the difficulty I am pointing at is neither directly mine nor >>> yours. Its in-between. Your coming from a great deal of knowledge and daily >>> practice. I'm coming from a place of only wanting to be able to seamlessly >>> save my TW. >>> >>> Seamless saving by ONE product with ONE name that does ONE thing I think >>> is what makes it SO important right now. IF its also got other useful >>> features then that is good too BUT at a certain point when a newbie starts >>> hitting code you have to enter through the console it starts looking less >>> simple and gets confusing. >>> >>> In other words: Have a dumb-version where you need know nothing else >>> than how to install it (which is not so easy for dumb people already :-) >>> that is targetted wholly at saving (only)? >>> >>> Let's keep talking till both of use are clear what the other means, okay? >>> >>> Best wishes >>> Josiah >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/4827dc02-531e-44fa-9f10-bf3a346de96b%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/4827dc02-531e-44fa-9f10-bf3a346de96b%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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