I would consider TD a saver, even though it uses an internal server because 
you never see the effects of using the server. The server and the gui have 
been combined into one application. Also, and I'm sure someone will correct 
me if I'm wrong, I don't think you can use it anywhere on your local 
network. I guess if it's on localhost it might be possible, but that's not 
the way it's usually used.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that when you run Bob you *must* 
view it in a browser. So you have 2 things going. The user has to start the 
server, and the user has to open a browser window. And, the user can, if 
they want, open the server up to the local router. So Bob is a server. If 
you were explaining Bob to someone, you would have to point out this 
distinction -- it wouldn't be invisible.

About cars, I remember that the goal of auto design at one time was to 
reduce the number of moving parts. Then, in a marketing ploy, manufacturers 
started touting the number of valves cars had. It was never clear to me why 
it should be a good thing for a car to have lots of valves, but apparently 
someone had decided that more was better.

-- Mark


On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 9:33:25 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> I'm always for consistency. Except when I'm not ;-)
>> basic TW on node.js is a server. (it always needs the user to start a 
>> server)
>> basic TW single file is a saver. (it always saves a local file)
>>
>
> I'd be interested how you think about TiddlyDesktop.
>
> It supports both "single files" and "folders." In "folder mode" its 
> running an internal server. But do we need to know that? What does it add 
> knowing that in case of TD?
>
> This has brought up the issue of dependencies v. "self-contained". For 
> instance, do I really need to know Bob is a server? Not that I shouldn't, 
> but what does that knowledge add to practical function? My interest in Bob 
> is what it does, not how its constituted. Like TiddlyDesktop, it is 
> self-contained. Once an "app" is self contained, who cares, so long as it 
> does the job.
>
> I think its a bit like cars. I'm really not interested whether its an 85 
> cylinder thing. What does it DO? :-)
>

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