Quaraman, I would rarely upload content, just type it into a tiddlywiki.
On one hand I really can not see any way for such regulations to apply to my personal IP that no one can access (without hacking) has no information/copywrite material about anyone else that is not publicly available. On the other hand As a Website host there is a responsibility for me as a good global citizen to take what ever steps are required to insure my internet hosted services to not provide a method by which DOS (Denial of service attacks) and other illegal (for the most) activities can be executed. If I open my tiddlywiki to php (update) but open my tiddlywiki to no one but me, how could I possibly be made to comply? These are serious issues when publishing on the internet, and we must take these into account for published material and storing private information. I am running an online shop, I need to comply and personally I am all for rules and regulations that set a minimum reasonable standard, why do I like such regulations when I also believe in freedom to choose?, because these regulations stop a race to the bottom which often occurs in competitive situations, placing a floor on which few venture below, and it is clear when they do. With a floor set we can all get about our business competing in other ways, its a level playing field that maintains the confidence of users in using online resources, and when "online resources" is what you do, confidence of your clients is essential. Despite my position above the new regulations are really a list of common sense actions you should take when storing your own or other peoples data online. Regards tony On Friday, November 9, 2018 at 5:21:45 AM UTC+11, Sven Wetzel wrote: > > Tony, > > first: the draft of this copyright proposal speaks about websites that > offer user content upload. > > And you are a user of your own site! > > So you need an upload filter to monitor your own behavior! > > But they can be exceptions for some sites/companies... > > At this time nobody can exactly answer you this! Because first it need to > be made as law and then it need to be made as active law in the national > states. > > After that - I read somewhere in the middle of 2019 - this can be answered > by a lawyer. > > kind regards > quaraman > > Am Do., 8. Nov. 2018, 16:10 hat TonyM <anthony...@gmail.com <javascript:>> > geschrieben: > >> Quaraman, >> >> Lets see if I can remove the riddle. >> >> If I build a website for me, online but behind a passphrase and on PHP >> and store personal information and media on it, the only user is me, I will >> not be taking me to task, and if my partner or trusted colleague also has >> access I would not be too worried. Once I have developed a good solution I >> may translate this into a secure website, build the code into a WordPress >> site. I understand the obligations and privacy issues but their are plenty >> of applications and cases where such simply do not exist. Personally I >> produce a lot of my own, original content that I produce myself for >> consumption only by me, it does not include copy write material, or >> collecting information from people but may hold a repository of Open source >> material for me. >> >> PHP services are now available from cloud providers so I can scale and >> prototype to my content. >> >> I understand where you are coming from but are surprised you cant imagine >> a genuine use for this that does not present unacceptable security risks. >> By the way, I appreciate you reminding me of these issues, but I am not so >> concerned at this time with these, even considering to only place anything >> online I cant loose. >> >> To be honest amongst my many roles in IT I also have a background in >> Security which I maintain an interest in. >> >> One example is a NoteSelf TiddlyWiki of my own from which I can export >> changes as a form of backup, or generate json files that exist in another >> folder with different security rights. I may even host a php server on >> local host. >> >> I hope that explains >> >> Now, I wonder if it is easy to get traditional html/php post to work >> within tiddlywiki. My original Question >> >> Thanks and Regards >> Tony >> >> >> >> On Friday, November 9, 2018 at 12:35:33 AM UTC+11, Sven Wetzel wrote: >>> >>> Hi Tony, >>> >>> without prooving against user failure it is very easy. But that is risky >>> as explained before. >>> >>> from tiddlywiki perspective it could be a html form that you present >>> with a submit button that trigger the php script. >>> >>> the php script then read the data it gets. >>> >>> That this function the tiddlywiki and the php script need to be served >>> from the same domain. >>> >>> But from your description it is a riddle for me how that you want. >>> >>> and when for example you are in the eu and the new eu copyright reform >>> is active this is illegal to use without a proove against copyright cases! >>> >>> kind regards >>> quaraman >>> >>> Am Do., 8. Nov. 2018, 07:24 hat TonyM <anthony...@gmail.com> >>> geschrieben: >>> >>>> Quaraman, >>>> >>>> Not withstanding your concerns, I still see value in being able to read >>>> and write using PHP independently of TiddlyWikis save steps. Remember such >>>> a website can be restricted to a single user with SSL and multiple levels >>>> of authentication, then all that would be permitted it to write to a >>>> particular filename, perhaps even one only the server can see. We could >>>> use >>>> the security method in https://github.com/sendwheel/tw-receiver which >>>> stops update access unless you have a long password/phrase set. >>>> >>>> I am not asking for a PHP lesson, only some insight as to how easy and >>>> or versatile this would be, and how you may invoke PHP from inside a >>>> TiddlyWiki. If accessible I will go to the effort of learning more about >>>> PHP. >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance >>>> Tony >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, 30 October 2018 23:27:02 UTC+11, Sven Wetzel wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Tony, >>>>> >>>>> this is to unspecific to answer the questions. >>>>> >>>>> What is your concrete case? >>>>> >>>>> This type of extension is easy to program - only to save a file. But >>>>> as I described earlier : the difficult part is to decide how to handle >>>>> the >>>>> rights and/or the security and/or your need to proove against such things >>>>> as illegal data (malware/copyrighted material/files that are only for >>>>> adults...) >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> quaraman >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> TonyM <anthony...@gmail.com> schrieb am Di., 30. Okt. 2018, 10:15: >>>>> >>>>>> Sven, >>>>>> >>>>>> If the functions exposed were limited like can only save to a >>>>>> specific filename etc could we make it safer? >>>>>> >>>>>> If however this wiki would be behind a password and only trusted >>>>>> users had access, how far could we take this and would it be difficult?. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would appreciate your advice. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Tony >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to tiddl...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/fc7ac71f-df91-4096-b74b-bd42ec56727e%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> . >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to tiddl...@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/51ea6c79-ea1a-48cb-9261-24d88dc9f77c%40googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/51ea6c79-ea1a-48cb-9261-24d88dc9f77c%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TiddlyWiki" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to tiddl...@googlegroups.com >> <javascript:>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/1b72bb21-53bc-41f4-afe7-f30d3553a75e%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/1b72bb21-53bc-41f4-afe7-f30d3553a75e%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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