Jeff, There has being a lot of "water under the bridge" in this thread. I think its important to recognise there are a couple of new concepts in TiddlyWiki that also makes it a powerful solution. until grasped it can be a little frustrating, and from my experience it can be a little more difficult for those with a lot of procedural programming language experience.
The payoff is great so please bare with it. As a community we each have the power to improve TiddlyWiki so please continue to contribute. Regards Tony On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 8:12:36 AM UTC+11, Jeff Wilson wrote: > > Unnecessary (accidental) complexity is NEVER justified. Essential > complexity is something we have to live with. > > Simplicity is obtained when all accidental complexity is removed. I have > no problem with complex tools; I use source code IDEs like Intellij, Visual > Code, and Eclipse almost everyday. > > Undoubtedly much of my problems with TiddlyWiki is that I don't have a > good mental model of how it works. But the documentation is awful, so that > does not help. For example, I was trying to figure out how to create a list > of all tiddlers with a tag equal to the name of the current page. Where do > I find that information? I type "list" in the search field, and I get 323 > matches. The first one that looks reasonable is "list Operator", so I click > on that and get something like this: > purpose select titles via a list field > input <https://tiddlywiki.com/#Filter%20Syntax> ignored > ! input a selection of titles <https://tiddlywiki.com/#Title%20Selection> > parameter <https://tiddlywiki.com/#Filter%20Parameter> R = a reference > <https://tiddlywiki.com/#TextReference> to a field > <https://tiddlywiki.com/#TiddlerFields> or property > <https://tiddlywiki.com/#DataTiddlers> of a particular tiddler > output the titles stored as a title list > <https://tiddlywiki.com/#Title%20List> at R > ! output those input titles that are not mentioned at R > > R can reference either a field or a property. See TextReference > <https://tiddlywiki.com/#TextReference> for the syntax. > > - If neither is specified, the list field is used by default. So > [list[T]] outputs the titles listed in the list of tiddler T. > - If R consists of only a field or a property, the tiddler part of the > reference defaults to the current tiddler > <https://tiddlywiki.com/#Current%20Tiddler>. So [list[!!tags]] outputs > the titles listed in the tags field of the current tiddler. > > Examples <https://tiddlywiki.com/#list%20Operator%20(Examples)> > > Ooookay... I don't know if that helps or not. Let's click the "Examples" > link: > > These examples make use of the Days of the Week > <https://tiddlywiki.com/#Days%20of%20the%20Week> tiddler. > > [list[HelloThere]]Try it > > [list[Days of the Week!!short]]Try it > > At this point, I still don't know what to type in my tiddler. It looks > like it should be something like "[list[<foo>]]" where foo somehow > indicates "all tiddlers with a tag equal to the title of the current page", > but there's not clue how to figure out what "foo" should really be. > > Sometime later I find the tiddler, "ListWidget". Clicking that is > promising, this one actually looks like it might be the right thing. One of > the examples is: > > <$list filter="[tag[ListWidget]sort[title]"/> > > This actually works, but it requires me to type the name of the current > tiddler as the tag name. Surely there's a way to get the title of the > current tiddler to automatically populate?? Somewhere I read that the title > of the current Tiddler was in a field that could be referenced like > "!!title". Try that, and no dice. > > So, I reason, there must be a link to the filter syntax on this page, and > sure enough, here it is! "tiddler filter"! I click that and get a huge list > of filters, but never fear, there are short descriptions and links to > describe each. I randomly click around on several trying to figure out > which one works for my usecase, but can't seem to find one suitable. Or > maybe I'm not giving it the right parameters. Who knows!? > > I eventually (hours later) find an example in another user's TiddlyWiki. > (For the record, I'm using filter="[all[current]tagging[]sort[title]]". It > works. I don't know if it is the best filter to use for my example, but > hey, at this point I will accept anything that moves me forward.) I don't > know if I would have ever figured out that particular combination of > filters, but hey, whatever. > > Now my task was easy, and it was probably a super, super common usecase: I > want to create a page hierarchy and be able to view that hierarchy. > Shouldn't there be an article or tutorial somewhere on common ways to > structure Tiddlers? > > Sorry for the long rant, but I'm rather upset that I've wasted two days on > this tool. > > > > On Saturday, January 12, 2019 at 10:23:06 PM UTC-5, TonyM wrote: >> >> I empathise, and have thought the same way, but I am starting to see how >> tiddlywiki raises our expectations to exceed what it currently achives. >> Most often a work around exists, or the community starts to digest changes >> to come. The key is the community, conversations and change. Its not that >> tw is not mature, its that it continues to evolve even although in many >> respects it already surpasses the competition in capabilities (if not >> simplicity). >> >> In my view Far too often today, simplicity is the result of the startup >> culture, which wants to profit from minimalist solutions, to fund the >> development of more comprehencive solutions by charging and taxing their >> very same clients. *Unnesasary compexity *is desirable but not at the >> cost of capability, unnessasariily simple things fragment what we need to >> use into too many parts. >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. 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