Mohammad, This question of "In the Core" is a repeating one and I believe often a source of unnecessary debate. I hope I can shed a little light on it here from my perspective.
The key phrase I believe is "chose to remove" - When something is in the core is is not removable from TiddlyWiki, even if it may be hidden by overwriting shadow tiddlers. - People often confuse empty.html as representing the core, when in fact this is the minimum usable wiki, and yes, unless it is in the core it is unlikely to be seen in empty.html - By popular demand anything can be included in empty.html but by definition it should remain a minimum usable wiki. - I believe we should de-emphasise empty.html as a "developers minimum usable wiki" and provide other editions for new users, learners, editors etc... These editions would include the contents TOC and plugins that customise tiddlywiki for the target audience. For example commander could be in a standard.html edition or a designers.html edition. On Commander and Empty.html, I would not want Commander, ideally not even tag manager and Tiddler manager in the core and thus always in empty.html because what ever I build should not automatically contain components which end users may use to break the designed wiki. Sure they may be included via plugins in a standard.html edition, but as plugins I can "chose to remove" A new possibility I can see using designed wiki templates, (or the proposed innerwiki plugin to run) is to publish a complete.html edition that includes tiddlywiki.com and additional plugins like commander and has a set of recipes that allows the user to export any of a set of standard editions. My New User Edition is somewhat similar but adds tools for the tiddlywiki student to maintain their own notes. The core is the place where if anycode is placed it becomes forever committed to by the community, will always need maintenance, must be high performance, must always be backwardly compatible, and is considered minimum code. Only Shared Services and facilities should be in the core, and cases where it is necessary for performance. Perhaps if we had deemphasised the empty.html prior to now, you would be putting an argument if commander should be in empty.html or standard html but in either case it should be a removable plugin and/or bundle. I do not think it should be the intention to install any optional tool in the core. Regards Tony On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 12:53:24 AM UTC+11, Mohammad wrote: > > If any feature gets into the core, then people trust it and are sure they > will have long support! > > --Mohammad > > On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 12:47:15 AM UTC+3:30, Diego Mesa wrote: >> >> Lets not hijack this thread Josiah. Suffice it to say, I agree we should >> first worry about whether it works. Then, whether it works well. I just >> posed the question, as if the end goal is indeed to get into the core, it >> would be logical to eventually bake this into $:/Manager's UI somehow. >> >> Me wanting to see a plugin in the core, is the highest compliment I can >> pay the plugin. >> >> On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 at 3:09:50 PM UTC-6, @TiddlyTweeter wrote: >>> >>> what is with "core" that so easy comes upfront? >>> >>> i'd rather know it works well. >>> >>> "core" additions are something else. much later. IF proven for that, >>> >>> this looks like great addition--but in process. >>> >>> likely a plugin. >>> >>> let us deal with what it is dealing with first. >>> >>> On Tuesday, 12 February 2019 19:54:44 UTC+1, Diego Mesa wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey Mohammad,o a >>>> >>>> This is great! Any thoughts on getting this into core so its part of >>>> `$:/Manager`?h later. >>>> >>>> Diego >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 at 9:30:53 AM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Announcement: Tiddler Commander >>>>> Date: Feb 12th, 2019 >>>>> Status: beta (idea) >>>>> >>>>> Demo: *https://kookma.github.io/TW-Commander/ >>>>> <https://kookma.github.io/TW-Commander/>* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Referring to the discussion here: >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/BxJsWuae-Uc/JapAx4mtBgAJ >>>>> I have prepared a small toolkit called Tiddler Commander or in short >>>>> Commander. This is a proof of concept and >>>>> both the name and operations can be changed. >>>>> >>>>> I highly welcome any constructive idea and I hope get feedback from >>>>> both users and developers. >>>>> >>>>> I also welcome any collaboration as is discussed in other posts. >>>>> >>>>> Warning: This is a beta release and is not in form of plugin! Do not >>>>> import to your own wikis because of the risk of data loss. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Mohammad >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> likely >>>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/a507b882-29c0-47d9-8d6f-880947477571%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
