Hi Tony! I think Commander is in beta stage. It seems it is useful. So, my aim is to get it working, fixing issues. I try to keep it simple, modular and easy to understand. By modular, I mean to be extended simply as Josiah noted above.
That is the objectives for time being. --Mohammad On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 3:34:49 AM UTC+3:30, TonyM wrote: > > Mohammad, > > This question of "In the Core" is a repeating one and I believe often a > source of unnecessary debate. I hope I can shed a little light on it here > from my perspective. > > The key phrase I believe is "chose to remove" > > > - When something is in the core is is not removable from TiddlyWiki, > even if it may be hidden by overwriting shadow tiddlers. > - People often confuse empty.html as representing the core, when in > fact this is the minimum usable wiki, and yes, unless it is in the core it > is unlikely to be seen in empty.html > - By popular demand anything can be included in empty.html but by > definition it should remain a minimum usable wiki. > - I believe we should de-emphasise empty.html as a "developers minimum > usable wiki" and provide other editions for new users, learners, editors > etc... These editions would include the contents TOC and plugins that > customise tiddlywiki for the target audience. For example commander could > be in a standard.html edition or a designers.html edition. > > On Commander and Empty.html, I would not want Commander, ideally not even > tag manager and Tiddler manager in the core and thus always in empty.html > because what ever I build should not automatically contain components which > end users may use to break the designed wiki. Sure they may be included via > plugins in a standard.html edition, but as plugins I can "chose to remove" > > A new possibility I can see using designed wiki templates, (or the > proposed innerwiki plugin to run) is to publish a complete.html edition > that includes tiddlywiki.com and additional plugins like commander and > has a set of recipes that allows the user to export any of a set of > standard editions. My New User Edition is somewhat similar but adds tools > for the tiddlywiki student to maintain their own notes. > > The core is the place where if anycode is placed it becomes forever > committed to by the community, will always need maintenance, must be high > performance, must always be backwardly compatible, and is considered > minimum code. > > Only Shared Services and facilities should be in the core, and cases where > it is necessary for performance. > > Perhaps if we had deemphasised the empty.html prior to now, you would be > putting an argument if commander should be in empty.html or standard html > but in either case it should be a removable plugin and/or bundle. > > I do not think it should be the intention to install any optional tool in > the core. > > Regards > Tony > > > On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 12:53:24 AM UTC+11, Mohammad wrote: >> >> If any feature gets into the core, then people trust it and are sure they >> will have long support! >> >> --Mohammad >> >> On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 12:47:15 AM UTC+3:30, Diego Mesa wrote: >>> >>> Lets not hijack this thread Josiah. Suffice it to say, I agree we should >>> first worry about whether it works. Then, whether it works well. I just >>> posed the question, as if the end goal is indeed to get into the core, it >>> would be logical to eventually bake this into $:/Manager's UI somehow. >>> >>> Me wanting to see a plugin in the core, is the highest compliment I can >>> pay the plugin. >>> >>> On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 at 3:09:50 PM UTC-6, @TiddlyTweeter wrote: >>>> >>>> what is with "core" that so easy comes upfront? >>>> >>>> i'd rather know it works well. >>>> >>>> "core" additions are something else. much later. IF proven for that, >>>> >>>> this looks like great addition--but in process. >>>> >>>> likely a plugin. >>>> >>>> let us deal with what it is dealing with first. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, 12 February 2019 19:54:44 UTC+1, Diego Mesa wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hey Mohammad,o a >>>>> >>>>> This is great! Any thoughts on getting this into core so its part of >>>>> `$:/Manager`?h later. >>>>> >>>>> Diego >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 at 9:30:53 AM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Announcement: Tiddler Commander >>>>>> Date: Feb 12th, 2019 >>>>>> Status: beta (idea) >>>>>> >>>>>> Demo: *https://kookma.github.io/TW-Commander/ >>>>>> <https://kookma.github.io/TW-Commander/>* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Referring to the discussion here: >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/BxJsWuae-Uc/JapAx4mtBgAJ >>>>>> I have prepared a small toolkit called Tiddler Commander or in short >>>>>> Commander. This is a proof of concept and >>>>>> both the name and operations can be changed. >>>>>> >>>>>> I highly welcome any constructive idea and I hope get feedback from >>>>>> both users and developers. >>>>>> >>>>>> I also welcome any collaboration as is discussed in other posts. >>>>>> >>>>>> Warning: This is a beta release and is not in form of plugin! Do not >>>>>> import to your own wikis because of the risk of data loss. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> Mohammad >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> likely >>>>>> >>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/6acc05be-84e8-4786-91f0-47ff6b6b33f6%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
